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Daryl Pelfrey

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Liner question
« on: February 03, 2019, 02:31:40 AM »
I know I dont build muzeloaders correctl|y or to any degree that you guys here do. Kinda hate to ask certain questions  cause it discloses my ignoranse of building. That being said  I do need to ask what do you do to take care of v the liner protruding to far in the barrel? My cleanig jag hits the liner. I can push just the wood rod on by it after a big bump but not the jag. I was going to index the barrel/breech plug / mark it so i can line it bak up. Then remove the breech plug and use a dremmel to reach in and work the liner back a little. Any help appreciated. Other than that Im very happy as to how the gun turned out.Its a 36 cal. with a John Armstrong stock made for squirrels.

Offline Rich

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Re: Liner question
« Reply #1 on: February 03, 2019, 02:39:23 AM »
Sounds like a good plan to me. That's how I do it on thin barrels. Make sure not to bump into the the breech plug threads. I lube the breech plug threads with a mix of graphite and vasoline prior to reinstalling. There are threads on the ALR that discusses what folks put on the treads.

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Re: Liner question
« Reply #2 on: February 03, 2019, 02:42:56 AM »
Your solution is mostly correct, except for the Dremel part...

Index the breech plug.  You can score a line from the bottom flat of the barrel onto the bottom of the breech plug lug. 
Remove the breech plug, which may take a fair amount of force.  Pad your vise with wood blocks or some such, otherwise you will score the barrel being held in the vise. 

Please don't use a Dremel, unless you happen to be the best Dremeler (not really a word..) in the world.  Dremel tool is the quickest way to do a bad job quickly!

Just use a file and work slowly so you don't file the rifling.  You could use a needle file with a rounded surface, or a chain saw sharpening file or any sort of round file you have. 

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Re: Liner question
« Reply #3 on: February 03, 2019, 02:44:29 AM »
Ha!  Rich posted while I was answering, he must be a good Dremeler!

I am not!

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Re: Liner question
« Reply #4 on: February 03, 2019, 02:49:05 AM »
I've smoothed them up from inside.   I did not like scratching up the bore with the dremil stone.  I am sure it does not matter though.  It is crude and I don't like that. 

A liner with a screw slot would make it easier.  You could mark the liner parallel to the bore and remove it.  Try holding the liner in a nut and working it outside of the barrel with a round file. 

If the liner is 1/4 x 28TPI a nut is easy.  IF not, you could tap a piece of steel 1/4 x 32TPI, or whatever it is.  IF you tapped pieces two you have a jam nut. 

No reason you could not fit the liner first and cut it off later if that is they type you are using. 

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Re: Liner question
« Reply #5 on: February 03, 2019, 03:02:58 AM »
Too late now but I take care of that BEFORE I cut off the head of a White Lightning liner. The you don't have to worry about a Dremel or a file.
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Re: Liner question
« Reply #6 on: February 03, 2019, 03:57:30 AM »
The Dremel, if carefully used, only will mess up the rifling a little, and where the bullet and patch never goes.    A few grind marks here will not be an issue unless you forget to put the powder in.  It shouldn't effect accuracy.  Only if you are OCD (my wife says I am) will it matter.  My amateur opinion and experience only.  Obviously some folks who are much better builders have different advice, however, I can mess up the rifling where it does matter with a file.
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Re: Liner question
« Reply #7 on: February 03, 2019, 04:20:49 AM »
Thanks everyone. Its a white lightning lier. Ive already installed. Looks like I will have to use a file. I put automotive anti seize lube on the breech plug threads before installing it. 
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Re: Liner question
« Reply #8 on: February 03, 2019, 05:47:28 AM »
You could always get a new liner,trim to length, and reinstall. They are not that expensive
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Re: Liner question
« Reply #9 on: February 03, 2019, 03:51:17 PM »
I just did one of these a couple of days ago with a dremel.  I have a bunch of stones or different grits for the dremel.  I used a fine one and went slow.  It worked well and my friend, (who is one of those guys that actually shoots all the rifling out of his barrels) was very happy.

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Re: Liner question
« Reply #10 on: February 03, 2019, 04:17:47 PM »
definitely file, not dremel.  with the breech out i can mark the liner that protrudes into the chamber.  i drill and tap some scrap 1/8" or so metal sheet, thread in the liner, file it down.  removing the liner freshens the threads.


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Re: Liner question
« Reply #11 on: February 03, 2019, 05:11:40 PM »
I did my first trimming with a dremel and needle files, a diamond bit for the dremel gives you a lot more control.

After the first couple I started marking and removing the liner and grinding it down on  my 1 1/2 belt grinder which has a mostly worn out belt on it and cuts very slowly and precisely.

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Re: Liner question
« Reply #12 on: February 03, 2019, 05:13:54 PM »
Too late now but I take care of that BEFORE I cut off the head of a White Lightning liner. The you don't have to worry about a Dremel or a file.
Dennis

Yep. I always check the liner before I cut it off.

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Re: Liner question
« Reply #13 on: February 03, 2019, 06:05:35 PM »
RFDs trick seems great!   

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Re: Liner question
« Reply #14 on: February 09, 2019, 01:57:56 PM »
I think those diamond bits are called "burr" bits.  They are like night vs day as far as control goes.

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Re: Liner question
« Reply #15 on: February 11, 2019, 04:56:47 AM »
Wrap the front of your round file with tape to protect the rifling, then you can file the liner right down to the rifling inside the breech end of the barrel.   I used a chainsaw file.  Cut nicely but left a pretty smooth surface right down to the bore.
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