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Re: Mother of.... Pearl
« Reply #25 on: April 17, 2019, 07:26:57 PM »
Smart dog. 
   That's really nice work. It couldn't be any better.  Why don't you start another thread and tell us how that MOP is to work with.  I never tried it and I don't think many on this forum ever have either. jerrywh.
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Re: Mother of.... Pearl
« Reply #26 on: April 17, 2019, 07:50:00 PM »
Look up what General George S. Patton Jr. had to say on mother of pearl and guns.

Ain’t fit for a man’s piece, methinks. I’d as soon ivory, as did the General.

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Re: Mother of.... Pearl
« Reply #27 on: April 17, 2019, 10:59:20 PM »
Gen George Patton is dead. We are alive. He was good at destroying things. We are concerned with creating things and craftsmanship. One mans opinion doesn't hold much weight in this world.
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« Reply #28 on: April 17, 2019, 11:13:07 PM »
Gen George Patton is dead. We are alive. He was good at destroying things. We are concerned with creating things and craftsmanship. One mans opinion doesn't hold much weight in this world.
I'm with Patton. Please explain how "MOP" relates to TRADITIONAL KY rifle making as related to in the ALR mission statement. I'm not talking about the suddenly popular Las Vegas school, it seems any garish thing goes there. I'm referring to guns of the 18th century built on the North American continent.
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« Reply #29 on: April 18, 2019, 12:05:16 AM »
O.K. - Since I started this thread, I'll close it. I posted a method of creating and accomplishing complex inlays that you could use (any) material(s) to create a design on a stock of a flintlock rifle. I do not want it to turn political or "That's not the way we did it in XXXX"  - It was a learning lesson for me, and hopefully for the 1000+ who read it.  I sent a few members PM's to ensure I did not cross any ALR Forum boundaries, and a moderator replied, others impacted did not.  So I will continue with my build and (possibly) post only the things that stay within the ALR forum Mission statement. 

BTW, I wore bars on my shoulders, I served as a combat officer in the military, and I own pearl handled firearms. Let's leave it at that.

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« Reply #30 on: April 18, 2019, 12:29:13 AM »
It seems fair to point out that lots of ornate18th century (and earlier and later) guns from France, Germany, and elsewhere in Europe incorporate mother of pearl, so I see no reason to think it is completely out of place on a colonial era inspired American rifle. I can't say I recall ever seeing it on any American flint or percussion guns, but that work so far on this one is certainly beautiful so far.

I also can't see how it would be against the rules to discuss inlaying mother of pearl given we discuss antique arms related to the American longrifle all the time, and the use of pearl is certainly less out of place than some of the techniques, designs, etc. used on the more extreme ornate "contemporary" guns discussed here regularly.

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Re: Mother of.... Pearl
« Reply #31 on: April 18, 2019, 12:56:46 AM »
Hi,
I am not sure why this thread became a bit acrimonious. Mother of Pearl is often found on 16th, 17th and a few 18th century European firearms. It was used occasionally as decoration on Germanic jaegers but more often on French, Belgian, and Dutch firearms, ancestors of rifles and fowlers made in America.  Jon's essay on inlaying MOP is also very applicable when inlaying bone or ivory. Both of those materials are brittle and pose the same difficulties as MOP.  Jon's thread is entirely appropriate and should be helpful. 

For you ivory fanciers out there, let me relate a little historical tale.  During the late middle ages (1300s) in Europe, carved ivory figures and plaques on furniture were the rage among the well heeled.  The French had a monopoly on ivory carvings and they kept the prices very high.  In Italy, an aristocrat and military officer, who was also an artisan (rare trait among aristocrats) named Baldassare Embriachi discovered that common cow bone could be carved just as nicely as ivory, cracked less, and did not yellow like ivory. In fact, it was a better material in almost every way and was also dirt cheap.  From that discovery, he created workshops that produced boxes, alters, book covers, saddles, etc decorated with carved bone. Because of the abundant supply of bone, Embriachi created multiple lines of products catering to customers in many income brackets. He had Chevies, Buicks, and Cadillacs. He became very wealthy and his family business survived for several centuries. Probably every major museum of art in Europe and North America has a collection of Embriachi products as well as ivory carvings.  The ivory has yellowed and cracked with age but the Embriachi bone works are white and shiny as if new.

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« Reply #32 on: April 18, 2019, 01:17:41 AM »
I don't disagree with any of the last posts. I'm well aware of how MOP was used in the gunmaking trade in Europe. This particular Kibler kit gun with silver mounts and MOP inlay is hardly euro in style. If it were a euro gun I'd be all excited about it as all of this kind of decoration is appropriate for it.   Jon is capable of excellent work, which this gun easily illustrates. I believe we are approaching a time  where we should possibly discuss a new section where we feature the making of New Age Contemporary gunmaking.  I feel this type of work, though executed perfectly, may be taking the ALR in the wrong or different direction. All of this New age stuff, although always well executed, just rubs my fur backwards. It's probably just me.
 And I must admit to owning a couple pearl handled revolvers as well, but they are historically correct as they are early 20th century S&W....not 18th century colonial American longrifles.

Quite honestly, if you switched out the MOP for ivory I wouldn't even have commented, not that it would have been any "righter" for an American longrifle. Probably just a foul day for me..... >:(
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Re: Mother of.... Pearl
« Reply #33 on: April 18, 2019, 01:25:11 AM »
BTW, don't take my opinion too seriously, I'm only one member out of many here. I realize many/most other's opinion are probably contrary to mine and that's OK.
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