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Couple info questions
« on: April 23, 2019, 03:33:07 PM »
1) what’s a good starter book for gun build how to. Types of tools and what they are used for, ie.. how to cut off casting spurs and finish the metal on a trigger guard, drilling a touch hole, wood finishing, in letting, basic type of guns building techniques.

2) best sources for obtaining tools and materials

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Re: Couple info questions
« Reply #1 on: April 23, 2019, 03:43:35 PM »
Books- The Art of Building the Pennsylvania Longrifle  and Recreating the American Longrifle are the, probably,two most refered books but there are several DVD,s out too.

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Re: Couple info questions
« Reply #2 on: April 23, 2019, 03:59:33 PM »
Hi,
The most comprehensive book on making long rifles is Peter Alexander's "Gunsmith of Grenville County".  However, IMO, it is not the best step by step book of instructions.  It was largely a compilation of articles written by Alexander in various publications and does not really provide a logical step by step narrative.  For that purpose the books "Recreating the American Longrifle" by Buchele et al. and Dixon's "The Art of Buiulding the Pennsylvania Longrifle" are better guides.   Alexander's book covers a much broader scope of information than the other books but is not presented as logically.  There also good videos by Mike Miller, Jack Brooks, and others.  I also urge you to view this tutorial by Mike Brooks hosted by this forum:
 http://americanlongrifles.org/forum/index.php?topic=31173.0

For muzzleloader gunsmithing materials and supplies, Track of the Wolf, Muzzleloader Builder's Supply, Log Cabin Shop, Knob Mountain Muzzleloading, Dunlap Woodcrafts, Chambers Flintlocks are a few of the major suppliers.  Brownells has general gunsmithing tools.  Rio Grande and Gesswein have metals, polishing, and engraving tools and supplies.  Woodcraft, Woodworkers Supply, Lee Valley, and Garrett Wade have high quality woodworking tools and supplies. 

Our tutorial section has a lot of information on how to do things and make tools.

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Re: Couple info questions
« Reply #3 on: April 23, 2019, 04:55:52 PM »
I am an advocate for "Recreating the American Longrifle" by Buchele, Shumway and Alexander.  I caution you on the "Gunmith of Grenville County".   In my earlier years I was a faithful reader of Peter's articles in Muzzleloader Magazine and found that about 50% of the time his methods worked and the other half got me into trouble.

As for parts, either Track of the Wolf or Muzzleloader Builders Supply are my go to places.

As for tools, there are many sources for good wood and metal working tools.  You will ultimately end up making a lot of your own tools as well.
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Re: Couple info questions
« Reply #4 on: April 23, 2019, 06:28:10 PM »
I think the answer may depend a little on where you are coming from. Are you new to this sort of rifle, or are you an experienced user with one or more very nice examples on hand? If you don't have experience or have a nice rifle as an example, it is a good idea to go to a show and look at and handle some. Are you close enough that you can go to Dixon's in a few months? There are usually good shows every few months in the East. I don't know about other areas. Ask a lots of questions. People will talk your ear off with details! Getting good rifles in hand helps well beyond just seeing pictures. Then you'll appreciate some of the differences between a rifle and a GOOD rifle as you'll have had both in your hands. Then you might have a better idea where on the spectrum you want to focus.

That's assuming you don't already know.

You know, there are a couple video threads on this forum that might be a good place to start.

Perhaps first would be Jim Kibler's colonial rifle build thread. Not that this is how it goes when you make your own, but you see the sequence of how the assembly part goes together and how it should look when going together when everything is going right (yeah, doesn't always work like that).

Then there are some build threads where people made rifles from planks and documented through videos.

After that, where you have SEEN the process in action, and handled good examples, the books such as those already recommended are quite useful.

Lots of your questions on tools and usage can be answered by going through threads in this forum.

If you are on the fence about whether this is the sort of thing you want to do, I'll suggest considering a Kibler kit. You'll have to do minor touch-up inletting, Metal cleanup and polishing, lock tuning, finishing wood, that sort of thing. Carving and decorative inletting and engraving, if you have the skills and are so inclined. But the major architectural decisions are all made and well made at that. A good choice of components is already selected and provided. The resulting rifles (SMR or Colonial) are very nice guns. When you are done you have something nice to show, nice to shoot, and a nice example of a well architected rifle. Having a nice rifle on hand is good when building another!

After that, precarves, planks, up to you. You'll have had more hands-on experience and have acquired at least a necessary set of tools for good portions of the process.

You can get some "plans" that show the architecture.  The quality varies, as does the price. I collect them when I find them, along with good quality books. Documentation on the rifles helps a great deal. It is the little details which distinguish schools, makers, and for that matter, good rifles from not so good.

That's not the answer you are looking for, but it might be a direction worth considering if you are not certain of what you want to do. Building from scratch is a LOT of work! I haven't built from a plank yet but I have inlet barrels of different shape/width into existing inlet, locks that are different than the original precarve, altered the overall architecture, ... I have a couple planks on hand, but the gunstocking bench isn't completed yet.

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Re: Couple info questions
« Reply #6 on: April 24, 2019, 02:22:38 AM »
Thank you everyone
Gerald, thanks for the thought and time for your response. I am a user first, I have 10+ guns. I have built several kits that were in the white and a couple that needed minor touch up work. I currently have one of Jim’s kits on order. Where I am headed is a desire to building a guns that I order individual components and fit them to a final build. Inletting for locks, triggers, butt plates, etc... is, I hope, next.

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Re: Couple info questions
« Reply #7 on: April 24, 2019, 03:20:08 AM »