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Re: Dickert inspired rifle
« Reply #25 on: October 25, 2019, 04:58:29 PM »
Beautiful rifle. Beautifully executed. Anyone have any thoughts on getting those warm tones back after using tannins? I love the dramatic effect but it does seem to make a stock a little monochrome. I know some folks go over the top with a contrasting stain to bring back that third shade? Any colorfast favorites? Once again. Stunningly executed. Cheers.

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Re: Dickert inspired rifle
« Reply #26 on: October 25, 2019, 07:55:20 PM »
Exquisite Ed! I think the carving, the engraving and finish blend beautifully with that super piece of wood!

Thanks for posting!

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Re: Dickert inspired rifle
« Reply #27 on: October 25, 2019, 08:26:07 PM »
Stunning indeed. i was rather surprised to see the side plate with no engraving.
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Re: Dickert inspired rifle
« Reply #28 on: October 25, 2019, 09:35:17 PM »
Ed, I’m so glad you said Dickert influenced, I’ve never seen an original Dickert with this degree of carving, or engraving. This is truly an outstanding example of what Dickert could have accomplished. The finish is wonderful as well.

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Re: Dickert inspired rifle
« Reply #29 on: October 25, 2019, 11:12:27 PM »
         Mike, my ignorance you have abolished, the next I speak of wood, my speech will be more polished.   Hey Ed, really nice work, I don't care what they say about the wood..    Ron
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Re: Dickert inspired rifle
« Reply #30 on: October 26, 2019, 12:41:25 AM »
Hi Ed,
When using tannic acid, you obviously have to rub it back vigorously to reveal the color and figure.  How do you do that without rounding off details in the carving?  This is one of my weaknesses and I've not developed a good way to avoid it.

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Re: Dickert inspired rifle
« Reply #31 on: October 26, 2019, 12:58:35 AM »
Thanks again...

I had no idea what "chatoyance" is, thanks for the definition/clarification, Mike!  Way above my vocabulary...

Ron..., The tannic solution, on most pieces of wood, enhances the dark curl.  One thing I've found, is that it's important to use a fresh batch of tannic.  I've used tannic solution that had been sitting around the shop for a couple months and didn't get nearly the results as a fresh batch.  Jim Kibler sells the tannic powder.  There are other sources, and you can even get it on Amazon.  I don't use any magic formula, or ratio, just a small mason jar with about two inches of distilled water, then pinches of the tannic powder until it's about the color of tea.  I think the "chatoyance" described by Mike is more a function of the type of varnish used during the finishing process?...

Bob..., the photos are a little deceiving, in that they're a little "washed out", but I understand what you're getting at.  To answer your question, which I didn't mention in the original post, is that I did use an amber transit tint (dye) after I scrubbed the stock back.  The stock turned dark after the iron nitrate and heat were applied, but it wasn't crazy dark.  I used a maroon scotch brite pad and teak oil (which I used to finished the stock) to rub the dark color back.  After that I applied the amber color to bring up the gold undertones. 

This is definitely not a copy of a Dickert rifle.  The patch box engraving is based on something I saw on the internet, which I thought was kinda cool, and adapted the design to what's on the rifle.  I was very tempted to do something on the side plate, and probably should have.  I'll be asking the current owner if he'd like me to do some engraving, even if just a simple nick and dot boarder.  The carving around the tang, and behind the cheek are very close to what was on at least one original Dickert.

Dave..., I guess the best way to answer your question is to say I don't go crazy over the carving, but I definitely scrub over it.  Once I see the edges start to loose the dark color, I stop.  This gives the effect of a light "dry brush" over the high points, keeping the recesses dark.  The carving design may be a little dark, but with the edges lightened up, it usually works well.  I try to do that on plain stocks as well, giving the entire carving a wash of bone black, then rub it back.  Also, once I have my carving done, at a minimum, I go back and re-stab the entire design.  This will create a distinctive "outline", that enhances the design.  On this piece, I went a bit farther and "outlined" with a "V" gouge.  Been doing that more and more....

Thanks again!

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Re: Dickert inspired rifle
« Reply #32 on: October 26, 2019, 01:31:02 AM »
Don't anybody accuse me of being smart, I had to google "Chatoyance" to know what it is. It's Ron that is the smarty pants. :P
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Re: Dickert inspired rifle
« Reply #33 on: October 26, 2019, 02:07:57 AM »
 Don't worry Mike, your reputation is still intact.    :D

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Re: Dickert inspired rifle
« Reply #34 on: October 26, 2019, 02:14:11 AM »
Ed,
What classic features, I love that carving behind the cheek piece and you've done it to perfection.
The whole thing is super nice.

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Re: Dickert inspired rifle
« Reply #35 on: October 26, 2019, 07:14:31 AM »
I'm even later to the party than Hank, but I like it, would like it even if I hadn't learned what Chatoyance wuz!  When are you gonna start giving carving lessons?   8)

Great work Ed!

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Re: Dickert inspired rifle
« Reply #36 on: October 26, 2019, 09:20:33 AM »
Ed,  beautiful, as usual.  Very nice.
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Re: Dickert inspired rifle
« Reply #37 on: October 26, 2019, 02:27:17 PM »
I feel fortunate to see these projects from start to finish. Pictures do no justice to Ed's work. Amazing work as always!!

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Re: Dickert inspired rifle
« Reply #38 on: October 26, 2019, 04:22:00 PM »
I can hardly wait to use chatoyance in a sentence...might be difficult here in cornfield county.... ???

Ed, it looks like you have relieved the edge of much of your relief carving with a "V" tool? Is that correct or just an illusion. What ever you did it sure makes it stand up.
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Re: Dickert inspired rifle
« Reply #39 on: October 26, 2019, 05:12:48 PM »
Mike, as I sometimes work with precious stones, chatoyance IS a word I use from time to time.  As in, Tanzanites and some agates exhibit a lot of chatoyance.  Even some of the stones found in Ioway!  And this new stock I am making has a lot in it as well.  Thankfully!
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Re: Dickert inspired rifle
« Reply #40 on: October 26, 2019, 06:32:28 PM »
All I can say is WOW.
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Re: Dickert inspired rifle
« Reply #41 on: October 26, 2019, 11:37:04 PM »
Ed did a superior job! This rifle made its debut to the collecting fraternity yesterday at the Front Royal show - very well received!! The wood is even more dramatic in person, and Ed's artistry and attention to detail is extraordinary...This is a wonderful longrifle in every way.

Ed - Great to see you (and the new owner) at the show!

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Re: Dickert inspired rifle
« Reply #42 on: October 27, 2019, 03:28:03 AM »
Bruce..., thanks!  Great seeing you as well!  This is a really nice show with lots of original pieces.

Mike..., yes, the carving on this rifle was outlined with a “V” tool.  Where it’s too tight, I use a small skew chisel to create a “V”.

Thanks, everyone...

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Re: Dickert inspired rifle
« Reply #43 on: October 27, 2019, 04:55:58 PM »
That's some fantastically clean carving Ed.  I see you haven't lost your touch.   :-) 

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Re: Dickert inspired rifle
« Reply #44 on: October 28, 2019, 02:09:46 AM »
Beautifully executed, Ed! 
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