Author Topic: American Jaeger rifle..? (Read 2999 times)

oldtravler61 · « **on:** January 05, 2020, 07:31:24 PM »

I was at a gun show yesterday an stumbled on to it. BUT i am not sure how original it is...! OR if it is at all an antique..? Now the problem.. Not sure how to transfer the pictures I took to this sight from my phone to here..? So someone can give me advise.
Now the info on it .. It is 58 caliber rifled 38 inch barrel swamped. The butt plate, toe plate an side plate are all engraved. The stock is well carved an clean with a couple interesting inlays on the cheek piece with the hunters star..
There is no nose cap but the fore end is well carved also..
Any advice on picture posting would be appreciated. The owner is a good friend of mine but he doesn't do the internet.
The gun will be going up for sale.
Oldtravler

Stoner creek · « **Reply #1 on:** January 05, 2020, 07:39:58 PM »

Mike
P/M me pictures and I’ll post them for you.

Majorjoel · « **Reply #2 on:** January 05, 2020, 08:29:23 PM »

Mike, is this the rifle? https://americanlongrifles.org/forum/index.php?topic=52474.msg524212#msg524212

You have to scroll up to the top of this post to see pictures.

Stoner creek · « **Reply #3 on:** January 05, 2020, 08:33:12 PM »

Here ya go.

Stoner creek · « **Reply #4 on:** January 05, 2020, 08:51:37 PM »

This looks like the same gun that Major Joel has posted

oldtravler61 · « **Reply #5 on:** January 05, 2020, 09:22:41 PM »

Yes it is indeed...The other question is..? What does the Major know that I don't about the gun..?
Oldtravler

spgordon · « **Reply #6 on:** January 05, 2020, 09:30:19 PM »

This is the gun that has the (fake) "M. M. Lanc [ster]" on it, right?--a much later engraving designed to associate this gun with Marlin Meylin of Lancaster?

rich pierce · « **Reply #7 on:** January 05, 2020, 10:11:46 PM »

Is there anything about it that suggests it was made here?

Majorjoel · « **Reply #8 on:** January 05, 2020, 10:13:46 PM »

That is correct Scott. A nice Germanic type Euro rifle with a bogus signature.

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oldtravler61 · « **Reply #9 on:** January 05, 2020, 11:30:36 PM »

One thing I like about this group...! You save me money...lol I almost bought that gun but I was curious about the signature an the lock on it. Plus the antler patch box cover. The overall quality of the carving an metal work is in my mind very well done...But the signature looked hokey an I thought as Majorjoel
did...best ask you guys an ladies. That know more than I do...which in this case didn't take much...lol
Thanks to Stoner for posting my pics an everyone else for clarifying for me...
Oldtravler

JTR · « **Reply #10 on:** January 05, 2020, 11:54:16 PM »

So how much is the asking price for it nowadays?

oldtravler61 · « **Reply #11 on:** January 06, 2020, 01:34:20 AM »

JTR he is asking $2,000 for it. If you would like anymore info p.m. Me. Oldtravler

Monty59 · « **Reply #12 on:** January 06, 2020, 12:01:49 PM »

Hello, I have a few original jeager rifles in my collection an a friend has much more. This rifle locks in my opinion very late 18th or early 19th and the Flint lock is untypical for a euro rifle because you can see the two screws from the back in front . But ok can also fool me and you haven't seen everything in a long time.

Monty

rich pierce · « **Reply #13 on:** January 06, 2020, 03:29:57 PM »

Regarding the lock, I agree. Suggests a reconversion from flint which is not bad in itself but sometimes it’s done better than other times.

oldtravler61 · « **Reply #14 on:** January 06, 2020, 04:47:11 PM »

Monty an Rich...actually I like the gun very much. But the lock the signature just kept jumping out at me... I suspected so I thought to ask here. Because everything on the gun, carving engraving etc. In my opion is very well done. But the signature looked like my engraving skills. Not good at best.
Thanks for all the help....Oldtravler

120RIR · « **Reply #15 on:** January 06, 2020, 08:40:45 PM »

If it really were an early "American" Jaeger, I would think the seller would be justified in adding at least one zero to his asking price. Concerning the re-conversion point raised above, perhaps that's the case - the frizzen spring is identical to those found on M. 1816+ U.S. muskets.

oldtravler61 · « **Reply #16 on:** January 07, 2020, 12:36:14 AM »

120RIR interesting point. Could it be that the original broke an this one fit so they used it to keep it in working condition..?
We will never know for sure...Oldtravler

Tanselman · « **Reply #17 on:** January 07, 2020, 01:53:22 AM »

I am not an expert on old jaegers...but I don't like the lock on this rifle at all, nor do I like the fitting in the side facing (edges too sharp, almost "new" in some areas), nor the "fresh" cutout for cock clearance. The tail of the lock looks like it has been altered, and while I'm probably wrong, it almost looks like the lock's side facing has been slabbed over for a new lock...when blown up, a couple areas almost look as if there is a faint glue line, in particular above and just behind the trigger. Of course, I realize these jaegers are a long way from the beat up southern rifles I like. Shelby Gallien

WESTbury · « **Reply #18 on:** January 07, 2020, 02:11:28 AM »

Quote from: 120RIR on January 06, 2020, 08:40:45 PM

- the frizzen spring is identical to those found on M. 1816+ U.S. muskets.

At the risk of seeming to be a nitpicker, or far worse:

Not quite identical, but similar. The early M1816 Type I Springfield battery spring used through 1822 was different that those of M1816 Type II and Type III, 1823 through 1844. The Harpers Ferry M1816 battery spring was "nearly" the same design as the Type II and Type III M1816 Springfield. See photos.

Stophel · « **Reply #19 on:** January 07, 2020, 02:16:52 AM »

Questioning signatures is legally dangerous....

That said, first quarter of the 19th century. Possibly the Frankfurt am Main region, based on the triggerguard, but by this point in time, things were pretty homogenized, and it's sometimes really hard to put locations on post 1800 guns.

120RIR · « **Reply #20 on:** January 08, 2020, 12:16:01 AM »

Thanks Westbury...yes, the photos you provide more clearly show the similarities as well as the differences. I'll stick with "similar"!

WESTbury · « **Reply #21 on:** January 08, 2020, 12:50:51 AM »

Or, as the old saying went, "Exactly the same, but different."

Sounds like vintage Yogi Berra.

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Author Topic: American Jaeger rifle..? (Read 2999 times)

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