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Offline longcruise

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A lock problem?
« on: March 10, 2020, 01:01:05 AM »
So, I have a CVA "Hawken" rifle that is a fine shooter but has a problem.   I think it's narrowed down to the lock mainspring.   

It will fire nicely for six or eight shots and then it will begin striking the cap without enough force.  I'm familiar with many of the problems that cause this but none seem to apply.

The last time shooting it was after I replaced the mainspring.   Same problem, unreliable cap firing.   While cleaning the rifle that day, I  noticed that the mainspring had backed out from the lockplate.  Talking about the little pin in the spring that fits into the little hole in the plate.

Inside the lock mortice it looks like it backs out far enough for the spring to start rubbing on the mortice.  Relieving the mortice  crossed my mind but it seems like that would just let the spring back out further. 

To the actual question, what can I do to get the spring to stay put against the lock plate??
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Re: A lock problem?
« Reply #1 on: March 10, 2020, 01:25:54 AM »
Without seeing it in hand it’s hard to say. But since you tried replacing the mainspring it seems that is probably not the issue.  A guess is that it is mounted crooked because the pin hole or the juncture of the upper tab of the mainspring on the lockplate is not true 90 degrees. Stick a q tip in the mainspring pin hole in the lockplate. Is it straight up?  Sounds like it is twisting in use.
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Re: A lock problem?
« Reply #2 on: March 10, 2020, 02:36:58 AM »
There are a couiple of devices that keep a mainspring in place.  One is a bevel on the upper leaf that fits in a corresponding recess in the underside of the bolster of the lock plate near the drum/snail.
The second is a flattened end of the mainspring that has a screw that secures it to the plate.  The CVA must have something like this...

Sounds like the hole for the mainspring's tit is too large and it allows the spring to rock a bit, and work its way oout.  You could countersind both sides of the hole, fill it with a nail, and redrill it the proper size.  that would go a long way to helping the issue.  Also, measure the pin at the spring and at the outboard end.  If it is tapered, that will compound your problem.  The fix is to file it into a parallel pin/tit.
Another way to remedy the tapered pin/tit, is to measure it's minor dimension, drill a hole into the end of a piece of steel rod the correct size, and cut teeth with a hacksaw and files to make a cutter.  If you use mild steel like a nail, case harden the cutter.  If you file it out of drill rod, harden and temper it by heating it cherry red, quench it in light oil, polish it up and draw the temper to about straw or brown.  Clamp the spring in a solid vise, mount the cutter in your drill press and bring the cutter down on slow speed to make it a parallel pin.  Easy to do.
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Re: A lock problem?
« Reply #3 on: March 10, 2020, 03:20:51 AM »
The mainspring moving out of place is a problem and the remedies discussed.  It could also be as simple as buildup/fowling on the nipple after 8 shots.  Wipe/clean off the nipple and make sure the caps are seated good and see if that helps.  You might want to put the original mainspring back on to see if fouling is the problem.  James Levy
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Re: A lock problem?
« Reply #4 on: March 10, 2020, 03:42:18 AM »
Taylor's fix for that spring issue is spot on.  Agree with Levy on the mis-fire issue - very likely crud build up is keeping the cap from seating.  You could try a slightly larger cap, or pull the nipple and carefully work down the barrel of the nipple ever so slightly with a fine file or emery cloth.  I suspect that will eliminate that mis-fire issue most of the time anyway.
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Re: A lock problem?
« Reply #5 on: March 10, 2020, 07:35:37 PM »
Cap fit to the nipple was the first thing I thought too.  I checked it out and found the fit was fine.  But, im going to double check it.

Meanwhile, I'm going to check out Taylor's procedure too.

More to follow.
Mike Lee