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Offline Ats5331

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Which is better for staining and finishing?
« on: April 11, 2020, 12:16:51 AM »
Hi all,

What is everybody's preference? Red v Sugar Maple?

Which one finishes better?

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Re: Which is better for staining and finishing?
« Reply #1 on: April 11, 2020, 12:25:10 AM »
      Either one will finish nicely, it just depends on the techniques that you use in accomplishing the finish.  If you are talking carving etc. then hard maple is the choice, but bear in mind that some red maple can be nearly as hard as hard (sugar) maple.  There are no magic formulas,  you have to deal with the stick you get and get the best out of it.  A lot of this comes with getting stain on your fingers and sometimes doing it over and over until you get it right.   
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Re: Which is better for staining and finishing?
« Reply #2 on: April 11, 2020, 12:30:03 AM »
I agree.  There are no "formulas" that work consistently.  Every single piece of wood is different, so you work it out as you go along.
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Re: Which is better for staining and finishing?
« Reply #3 on: April 11, 2020, 01:25:06 AM »
Hi ATS,
Eric and Ron are bang on.  I find red maple often has more vivid curl and figure than hard maple (which can be sugar or closely related, black maple).  However, sometimes it is not dense enough to carve well or at least easily.  The gun below was made from red maple.  I love the figure but carving it was a nightmare because it had very soft areas.  In fact, when I stained it with ferric nitrate dissolved in water, some of the crisp edges of the carving just crumbled away and I had to recut those areas. 





The next gun was stocked in very hard sugar maple.  It was a delight to carve and I had no issues with edges crumbling or detail being lost.  However, although sold as highly figured maple, you can see the curl is not nearly as vivid as the previous rifle.







My best advice is if you want a plain rifle with no carving but beautiful wood, consider red maple.  If you want to carve a lot of detail, consider sugar or black maple.  Either way, always pick the blank that weighs the most.

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Re: Which is better for staining and finishing?
« Reply #4 on: April 11, 2020, 02:39:51 AM »
Very interesting and great thoughts on this. I never thought that the harder the maple, the better for carving.

Does this same rule apply to inletting for inlays?

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Re: Which is better for staining and finishing?
« Reply #5 on: April 11, 2020, 03:32:02 PM »
Very interesting and great thoughts on this. I never thought that the harder the maple, the better for carving.

Does this same rule apply to inletting for inlays?
I buy the hardest wood I can find. That being said I have made alot of carved guns from walnut , cherry and soft red maple. When you have more experience you'll bee able to look at a finished gun and tell if it is sugar or red maple.
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Re: Which is better for staining and finishing?
« Reply #6 on: April 12, 2020, 03:08:39 AM »
I've used both sugar and red maple and although the sugar male was on average harder, some red maple blanks were pretty hard.....the red maple blanks had on average more curl per dollar than the sugar maple blanks. The stock  shown is red maple and was carved w/o any problems.…..Fred