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MuttCat

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« on: May 04, 2020, 12:15:10 PM »
Greetings from Leatherstocking country.  I've been by a few times and finally registered.  I'm thinking about putting a gun together and this is the place to be.  For the past several weeks I've been watching Bill Raby build his Isaac Haines Lancaster while I'm on the treadmill.  His skills are way beyond mine.  But I have restored a couple of modern guns and finished a Great Plains rifle that came out really nice.  So now, I've got the bug (and pretty sure I had the other one too) and I'm leaning towards another Hawken --- but I want to up my game.  I'm sure I'll find plenty of direction here.

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« Reply #1 on: May 04, 2020, 12:47:48 PM »
Welcome, you will find about any info you might desire here, one way or another
only flintlocks remain interesting..

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« Reply #2 on: May 04, 2020, 01:57:18 PM »
Welcome! Glad to have you! This is ‘up you’re game central’!
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« Reply #3 on: May 04, 2020, 02:11:01 PM »
Welcome! So many talented and helpful folks here. Their willingness to share their crafts are beyond generous. Jerry

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« Reply #4 on: May 04, 2020, 02:41:00 PM »
Welcome aboard. You will certainly benefit from your association with this lot. As Jerry just said, one of the most talented and generous groups you’ll find anywhere.
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« Reply #5 on: May 04, 2020, 03:10:22 PM »
Welcome, and whereabouts in Leatherstocking country? I grew up on a dairy farm in the Mohawk Valley. Beautiful country.
Andover, Vermont

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« Reply #6 on: May 04, 2020, 04:07:32 PM »
Welcome, Mutt.  Your skills will improve greatly after a rifle or two.

Great place to learn, for sure.
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« Reply #7 on: May 04, 2020, 04:15:00 PM »
  Welcome Mutt...!  Don't be afraid to ask questions..!
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« Reply #8 on: May 04, 2020, 04:43:30 PM »
Hamlet called Dorloo, in Schoharie County, New Yorkistan
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« Reply #9 on: May 05, 2020, 01:22:44 AM »
Welcom to our group, MuttCat.
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« Reply #10 on: May 05, 2020, 03:58:22 AM »
Hamlet called Dorloo, in Schoharie County, NY.

Welcome, I have lots of family in West Winfield and Richfield Springs.  Not too far from you.

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« Reply #11 on: May 05, 2020, 01:42:19 PM »
Hamlet called Dorloo, in Schoharie County, NY.

Welcome, I have lots of family in West Winfield and Richfield Springs.  Not too far from you.

Dave

Not far at all, nice out that way.  Sold a rolling block in West Winfield last summer.

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« Reply #12 on: May 05, 2020, 02:50:57 PM »
Like Jerry says: "So many talented and helpful folks here"  I know first hand about that. You almost don't need to ask the question there's so much information in the group. If you must ask . . there will be a lot of help offered. I'm for sure glad these guys are here when you need them. Not too much "longrifle" question and answer action up here in Great White Kanuckistan . . .

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« Reply #13 on: May 05, 2020, 06:05:15 PM »
After mulling things over, I'm thinking about a fullstock Hawken in 54.  54 because I've already got all the supporting goodies.  And a fullstock in maple in to be different...dark red.  And color case hardened hard parts. Browning doesn't move me  I'm not really looking for authenticity, close is good. 

Thanks all for the welcome.  When things get settled I'm moving.

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« Reply #14 on: May 05, 2020, 06:09:24 PM »
Welcome to the forum. As has been said, there is a wealth of experience and knowledge here,just waiting to be tapped. I have enjoyed my time here, and the many friends I have made. It is always good to see new members. Best regards, Dave f on the Mountain 8) 8)

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« Reply #15 on: May 05, 2020, 08:32:58 PM »
Just a bit of advise.
In your initial post, you mentioned you were concerned about your skill level.  At least in comparison to Bill Raby.
If this is your first build, a Hawken is probably NOT a wise choice.  Hawken rifles are a quite a bit harder than a basic longrifle.
Rather see you on the other end, with a rifle to be proud of, rather than totally frustrated.
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« Reply #16 on: May 05, 2020, 11:52:57 PM »
Mutt, build what you want. People talk about a Hawken as difficult. A full stock flintlock Hawken is a different breed altogether. Full stock Hawkens were earlier in style. Resembling a heavy "Tennesee". If you compare the overall lines, they are the same. Use a long tang breechplug that is filed to the Hawken style. It doesn't have to be a hook breech plug. The Hawken brothers are reputed to have descended from Wolfgang Haga an early Pennsylvania gunsmith. They went west as the frontier moved west through Tennessee before arriving at the Mississsippi.

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« Reply #17 on: May 06, 2020, 07:27:18 AM »
   I don't have any more skill than anyone else. I am not not magical and do not have decades of training by some creepy old guy on top of a mountain in China. What people think of as skill is usually just knowledge and attention to detail. Both of which come from practice. It takes practice to learn how to use the tools properly on different materials and get them to do what you want. Knowledge is also required to know what to do with the tools. You have to know how a Hawken is put together, the proper shape, etc. That comes from study. If you get to know every little detail of a Hawken rifle and how it goes together, then learn how to use your tools and pay attention to what you are doing, you will have no trouble building a rifle. That is all there is to having skill. I am not capable of doing anything that you are not. If I can do it, then you can too.

   My videos can provide you with some of the knowledge, but the rest of it, and all of the attention to detail is up to you. If you think that inletting a barrel will be hard, then get a cheap piece of maple and inlet the barrel into that. You will learn a lot about using chisels doing that. If it comes out all sloppy it because either you have not yet learned enough about the chisels or because you missed some of the details as you went. All it takes is practice. If you mess it up, then do it again. When you can do a good job, do it for real. Same for the lock and any other part of it. Important thing is to give up on any type of schedule that you may have. It you have to inlet the lock into a piece of scrap wood 5 times before you get it right, then do it 5 times. Let it take as long as it is going to take.

   Don't compare your work to mine or anyone else's. That is something that does not matter at all. There are plenty of people out there doing better work than me and that does not bother me one bit. The trick is to do the best job that you are capable of at every step. What I do as I am working is to continually ask myself if I could make it any better. If so, then I do it even if it is a lot more work and takes a lot longer. If you do that you will have a gun that you will be proud of and each gun will be better than the last.

   The new guys are always worried they will spend $1000 on parts and screw it all up. If you have that attitude you are just getting in your own way. You do NOT build a gun because you want a new gun. If you want a new gun, buy. Don't build a gun unless you want to build a gun. The goal is building a gun. Not getting a gun. If you go on a cruise you will spend well over $1000. It last a few days and when you get home all you have to show for it is a t-shirt. You think it was money well spent and can't wait to do it again. That is gun building. It is an ENTERTAINMENT expense. You get to go for months without turning on the stupid TV and having a great time. If your goal is to enjoy building a gun more than having a gun when it is done, then it is not possible to fail.


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« Reply #18 on: May 06, 2020, 01:34:29 PM »
Actually, I worked in an antique restoration shop in Hadley, MA. when I was in college.  Been doing it on the side ever since, but quit taking on jobs when I retired.  So working with wood, and finishing, is my deal.  Worked as a mechanic to boot...not much I haven't dabbled in.  Got my Wuhan flu check in the bank, I'm good to go.  Honestly though, at present, I have no desire to build completely from scratch.  Right now I just want to substantially jump beyond my Lyman kit gun and see where I go from there.

Encouraging words are appreciated.

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« Reply #19 on: May 06, 2020, 03:06:18 PM »
Welcome aboard.  You hit the jackpot here, so keep coming back.  Did the Administrators  tell you that you had to clean all our guns as part of the membership?

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« Reply #20 on: May 06, 2020, 03:09:30 PM »
AND our workbenches!  Leave the tools where they are, or we'll never find them again.  But all the wood and metal chips and sawdust have to be gone.
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