Soddy-First Scratch Build Plan-Comments Needed

[trailerpark]

Jacks original at thee Knoxville show.

[Bob McBride]

I told Jack today there were two or three threads going on his Soddys. Thanks for posting.

[canadianml1]

Thanks for the responses. Slowly I am being "educated".

I ordered Randal Pierce's book on southern guns today by mail as the SMHS website is not set up for Canadian postal codes.................I should receive it some time in the future. It'll get to the border at Mach1.0 and then trans-shipped by mule train the rest of the way in Canada, all for the price of $56 US.( oh, I forgot the duty and HST).

I am curious about the right side(opposite cheek piece side) of the butt stock without a patch box installed( what I plan to build ). Can someone inform or photo?

Also, I am looking for a source of PC butt plate, trigger guard and trigger. I under
stand that someone on ALR can supply???


Thanks again to all that responded.

[GANGGREEN]

So, where do you find a "slightly swamped barrel"?   I'm getting reasonably competent with my gun building (believe me, I'm not a good builder, just competent), but obviously I don't make my own barrels or re-mill them.   I know that it's a matter of what the market will support, but I'd love to have a few more barrel options today.  What Jim Kibler is doing is exciting, but I'd presume it will be years before he provides a wide variety, if he ever does.

https://americanlongrifles.org/forum/index.php?topic=37199.msg357278#msg357278
Scroll down for pictures of a Soddy Daisey I built a few years ago. I used a very slightly swamped 3/4” barrel and an L&R Manton lock. Great shooting rifle. Very light and slim.

[Bob McBride]

Thanks for the responses. Slowly I am being "educated".

I ordered Randal Pierce's book on southern guns today by mail as the SMHS website is not set up for Canadian postal codes.................I should receive it some time in the future. It'll get to the border at Mach1.0 and then trans-shipped by mule train the rest of the way in Canada, all for the price of $56 US.( oh, I forgot the duty and HST).

I am curious about the right side(opposite cheek piece side) of the butt stock without a patch box installed( what I plan to build ). Can someone inform or photo?

Also, I am looking for a source of PC butt plate, trigger guard and trigger. I under
stand that someone on ALR can supply???


Thanks again to all that responded.

The patchbox side is usually much more traditionally shaped. Most I have seen without a patchbox could have one installed without much if any reshaping. That side of the buttplate is less diamond shaped often and sometimes completely traditionally curved. More or less. Trailer park posted a great pic of Jack’s original above with a great view. All the hardware has to be made as no one makes accurate caste stuff. Buttplate is sometimes swaged on. Pay particular attention to the hardware in your research. I’ll post pics when I get out of the deer stand.

[rich pierce]

So, where do you find a "slightly swamped barrel"?   I'm getting reasonably competent with my gun building (believe me, I'm not a good builder, just competent), but obviously I don't make my own barrels or re-mill them.   I know that it's a matter of what the market will support, but I'd love to have a few more barrel options today.  What Jim Kibler is doing is exciting, but I'd presume it will be years before he provides a wide variety, if he ever does.

https://americanlongrifles.org/forum/index.php?topic=37199.msg357278#msg357278
Scroll down for pictures of a Soddy Daisey I built a few years ago. I used a very slightly swamped 3/4” barrel and an L&R Manton lock. Great shooting rifle. Very light and slim.

One option for a slightly swamped barrel that is easier than starting from a straight barrel is to buy a swamped barrel and get to filing the breech and muzzle down. It’s a lot less material to remove than starting with a straight barrel. Trick is to use a file lengthwise to find high spots or humps after rough filing to get an even taper. To tell the truth I have a couple original percussion guns with slightly swamped barrels and you’d have to measure closely to find the swamp - about 0.060-0.075” less in the waist. It’s hard to see by eye.

When I need to do something like this, where I want to reduce a dimension of something by filing,  I use jewelers saw blades as depth gauges and make hacksaw cuts to file down to. That helps me stay reasonably accurate. Keep in mind a good many original barrels are not close to perfect octagons.

[flinchrocket]

Charlie Burton says he will make any profile you want.

[okawbow]

So, where do you find a "slightly swamped barrel"?   I'm getting reasonably competent with my gun building (believe me, I'm not a good builder, just competent), but obviously I don't make my own barrels or re-mill them.   I know that it's a matter of what the market will support, but I'd love to have a few more barrel options today.  What Jim Kibler is doing is exciting, but I'd presume it will be years before he provides a wide variety, if he ever does.

[/quote]

I bought my 3/4” barrel from Charlie Burton. It measured a few thousands less at the waist already, so I hand filed the rest to give about .050 swamp, with the breach and muzzle at 3/4”

[oldtravler61]

  Charlie made the barrel I'm using for my Sorta Soddy. But it is only 38 inches. ( grandson gun ) I highly recommend Charlie Burton barrels. His work is excellent an you don't get a barrel with a bunch of machine marks to remove. Quality A- 1
  Oldtravler

[GANGGREEN]

Thanks for the information about barrels, definitely gives me something to think about going forward.  In fact, I just sent an email to Mr. Burton to see about having a 13/16" Getz .36 barrel lightly swamped for a project that I have in mind.  It's either that or just sell the Getz barrel and buy a Rice A-weight or something.   We'll see what the cost and lead time are, but I appreciate the recommendation.

[Bob McBride]

Thanks for the information about barrels, definitely gives me something to think about going forward.  In fact, I just sent an email to Mr. Burton to see about having a 13/16" Getz .36 barrel lightly swamped for a project that I have in mind.  It's either that or just sell the Getz barrel and buy a Rice A-weight or something.   We'll see what the cost and lead time are, but I appreciate the recommendation.

Last I spoke to him he was 6 months out I think.

[GANGGREEN]

6 months out would be fine with me. I have several other projects in the works presently.

[Daryl]

VERY interesting, butt profile. Maybe it just looks that way as the cheek piece is in the shade?



Edited, THIS explains it.

[Bill Raby]

If you are looking for good rasps go with Liogier. They are hand stitched and custom made. There is a BIG difference between the hand made and machine rasps. Also a big difference in the price. They are rather expensive. https://www.hand-stitched-rasp-riffler.com/en/

There is a cool video about how they are made

[canadianml1]

Hi Bill:

Thanks for your response. If I limit myself to two Liogior rasps what size/shape should they be? What would you recommend for my first scratch-build?

What about razor files?

Thanks again!

[Bill Raby]

What I have now is 12 inch cabinet rasp with 3 cut and 10 inch half round with 9 cut. Both are the sapphire range. I suppose that is a good place to start. I am sure that I will have at least a dozen different ones eventually. Those things are great!

[Bill Raby]

I have not used razor files.

[WestBranchSusquehanna]

If you are looking for good rasps go with Liogier. They are hand stitched and custom made. There is a BIG difference between the hand made and machine rasps. Also a big difference in the price. They are rather expensive. https://www.hand-stitched-rasp-riffler.com/en/

There is a cool video about how they are made

I have made two orders from this site over the past several years.  Although it may take a little time getting across the pond, I am extremely pleased with the performance of these tools. 
Buy quality, you'll never regret it!
Michael

[Collector]

The Rice new 'Allen Town' profile in  'A' weight might be of interest to you. It's standard in a 45 inch length (not a 42" but not a 48" either), if you're stuck in a sorta-kinda long-ish, but not too long, mind-fog of longrifle indecision. Thin in the waist, but breech and muzzle are radiused over longer runs compared to their Classic Southern profile. Might make for a nice looking as well as a nice handling rifle.  All said and done, in the end, it will be your rifle.

[canadianml1]

 Thanks for your responses!