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Offline Eric Kettenburg

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1716... Swedish?
« on: July 09, 2021, 11:28:15 PM »
If anyone looking at this knows a lot about Swedish locks, please feel free to chime in and give me an estimated date.

I believe it's a 1716 Swedish military doglock, but apparently the doglock was utilized in Sweden into the early 19th century.

Is there any way to "fine tune" the dating on something like this?



And no, it's not a Swedish gun.  It's definitely American, so the lock was recycled.  Just trying to narrow down the dating.

Two lock bolts, not three like most Brit doglocks of the era.
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Re: 1716... Swedish?
« Reply #1 on: July 10, 2021, 06:42:30 PM »
Eric,

I've looked through the reference books I have that even mention Swedish arms as well as online, but not much out there. I did see a couple of Swedish Dog Locks. All had flat cocks, no rounded convex ones in sight.

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Re: 1716... Swedish?
« Reply #2 on: July 10, 2021, 07:46:40 PM »
Where's Chris Immel when you need him? ;)
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Re: 1716... Swedish?
« Reply #3 on: July 10, 2021, 08:28:53 PM »
I found a very scant amount of reference online, but it appears very similar to the doglocks used on the 1716 muskets.  However, they apparently hung in there with just some minor changes until the 1790s sometime, and I don't know enough nor can I find enough dealing with the slight changes to determine if this specific lock is 1716, or maybe earlier and a forerunner, or 1730s, 1750s, 1770s etc.

I think I'm just going to go with 1716, as it'll suit the gun timeline better i.e. a 1720s-30s American recycled piece!
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Offline OLUT

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Re: 1716... Swedish?
« Reply #4 on: July 10, 2021, 10:59:16 PM »
Eric, aside from the jaw screw, your lock is quite similar to the one used on the 1690 Swedish army musket, so your dating is in the right ballpark

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Re: 1716... Swedish?
« Reply #5 on: July 11, 2021, 09:08:28 PM »
I worked on a couple of doglocks with flat lock plates recovered from 1733 Plate Fleet wrecks.  They were signed T. Fort and T. Austin on the tail end and the date 1703.  They were actually in pretty darn good condition considering the time spent in the ocean.  James Levy
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