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Offline heinz

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Re: Full stock English Sporting Rifle barrel options?
« Reply #50 on: August 23, 2021, 04:32:48 PM »
Bsharp, since you seem to be interested in the "logic" of American gunmaking feed these facts into your thought process.   Rifling requires the use of a rifling machine.  The rifling machine must  hold the barrel securely while it is be subjected to constant torquing forces from the cutters.  A polygonal-shaped barrel is easier to clamp than a round one, especially since most of the rifling machine bed and clamps are wood.

Stock were not sold preformed, a stock blank would has over an inch of extra wood all around.   The barrels were fitted to the blanks with saws, gouges and hand planes.  On the Colonial frontier the tool set tended to be much smaller than in Europe

Style and fashion were extremely important drivers even on the frontier.
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Re: Full stock English Sporting Rifle barrel options?
« Reply #51 on: August 23, 2021, 05:26:38 PM »
I can’t even figure out what’s being discussed.  :o  Something about British rifles, I think.

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Re: Full stock English Sporting Rifle barrel options?
« Reply #52 on: August 23, 2021, 05:45:14 PM »
I just realized why all the reference to the British and there records.

So what I didn't know is that all the BSR were made over seas? Correct?

I did not realize no US maker s built Them? Is this Correct?




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Offline Craig Wilcox

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Re: Full stock English Sporting Rifle barrel options?
« Reply #53 on: August 23, 2021, 06:01:53 PM »
Pretty much right on the money, B#.  There are some contemporary builders here on this continent, but pretty much no English Park Rifles.
Britain has always put the "landed gentry" up on a pedestal,. head and shoulders above the folks that actually worked for a living.  And their acres and acres of forest meadow were definitely OFF LIMITS to the plebes.  They did have "game keepers", whose job was a mix - they had to keep out poachers, cull the herds of "unlovely" specimens, and pretty much know where the trophy animals were.  Then he had to lead the hunt, and put the gentlemen onto the game. 
Once downed, the Game Keeper had to gut, skin, carve up, tote meat back to the kitchen, hides to the tannery, and heads to the taxidermist.
But, like as not, the gamekeeper had a rifle that would be almost like the one that the landowner had, minus the ornamentation.
As has been mentioned, these forested lands, kept as a game reserve, were commonly called "parks".
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Re: Full stock English Sporting Rifle barrel options?
« Reply #54 on: August 23, 2021, 06:07:12 PM »
Did the US build ang Jaegers?
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Re: Full stock English Sporting Rifle barrel options?
« Reply #55 on: August 23, 2021, 06:20:08 PM »
Did the US build ang Jaegers?

There are Jeager like rifles that are attributed to this side of the pond. And it is roundly believed that a goodly portion of early LRs were bigger bore and had flat butt plates. Daniel Boone supposedly had a rifle that fired a 1 oz ball (16 bore).
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Re: Full stock English Sporting Rifle barrel options?
« Reply #56 on: August 23, 2021, 06:30:29 PM »
I believe that this one was made on this side of the pond. There are arguments to the contrary. Short German barrel, French lock, American walnut, home made brass mounts all made from sheet stock. A melting pot of a rifle.

















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Re: Full stock English Sporting Rifle barrel options?
« Reply #57 on: August 23, 2021, 06:48:24 PM »
I really like this rifle, not fancy. Squared off buttplate and trigger guard.
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Re: Full stock English Sporting Rifle barrel options?
« Reply #58 on: August 24, 2021, 06:34:54 PM »
I am late to the party, but here is a link to one I built a while back.  The sporting gun features interchangeable barrels, one rifled and one smooth.  https://americanlongrifles.org/forum/index.php?topic=59417.0

Thanks for looking,
Curtis

P.S the gun is currently listed on Clay Smith's website.  : )
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Re: Full stock English Sporting Rifle barrel options?
« Reply #59 on: August 24, 2021, 06:50:54 PM »
Curtis,

Thank You!

What a GREAT gun!

Glad to have found a rifle and smooth bore combos.
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Re: Full stock English Sporting Rifle barrel options?
« Reply #60 on: August 25, 2021, 07:06:45 AM »
Thanks!  Glad you liked it!

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