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Offline Panzerschwein

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Horn Strap Help
« on: February 12, 2022, 11:31:28 AM »
What would be the most historically correct powder horn strap for a Fusil de Chasse in America during the French & Indian War period or earlier? I’ve got a Lemuel Lyman style belt pouch here and a horn, but need a strap for the horn still. Thanks!

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Re: Horn Strap Help
« Reply #1 on: February 12, 2022, 09:54:57 PM »
Leather is probably always a safe bet... Plain or fancily adorned with quills, beads, etc... would be personal preference.

However, on page 15 of Madison Grant's "The Kentucky Rifle Hunting Pouch" plate 4 provides examples of a fabric hunting pouch with a matching fabric strap for the powder horn... Attributed to the 1755-75 era. Both are finely crafted and well adorned with both bead and quill work.

I would say the choice is entirely yours.

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Re: Horn Strap Help
« Reply #2 on: February 12, 2022, 10:24:50 PM »
For most, probably some form of simple plain leather or cloth strap or medium weight fiber cordage. Some Canadiens could have had more ornate native inspired straps if they were in proximity to the tribes.

You do realize that the Lyman pouch is American right?
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Re: Horn Strap Help
« Reply #3 on: February 12, 2022, 10:26:10 PM »
For most, probably some form of simple plain leather or cloth strap or medium weight fiber cordage. Some Canadiens could have had more ornate native inspired straps if they were in proximity to the tribes.

You do realize that the Lyman pouch is American right?

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I did not. Could it maybe still have found use with a fusil by somebody then? I have no particular impression in mind.

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Re: Horn Strap Help
« Reply #4 on: February 13, 2022, 02:23:34 AM »
 Fusil de chasse were used by both sides in the F&I war - they had been around the area for nearly 50 years and many were traded around and made their way all over the then frontier. Many new england area militias in the F&I were armed with guns brought from home, which included fowlers and fusils and old british muskets. The fusil would go on to serve in the American Revolution as part of the militia and the minutemen

Both the milice (french militia) and the new england militia carried shot pouches. The Lyman pouch is one example we have that is documented to a massachusetts militiaman. It could serve both sides equally well.

For powderhorn straps, thin leather is the best (1/2" to 3/4" wide) this was most common on both sides. If you do a native impression, a fancier strap might be okay, but simple is the way to go.

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Re: Horn Strap Help
« Reply #5 on: February 13, 2022, 02:36:56 AM »
Fusil de chasse were used by both sides in the F&I war - they had been around the area for nearly 50 years and many were traded around and made their way all over the then frontier. Many new england area militias in the F&I were armed with guns brought from home, which included fowlers and fusils and old british muskets. The fusil would go on to serve in the American Revolution as part of the militia and the minutemen

Both the milice (french militia) and the new england militia carried shot pouches. The Lyman pouch is one example we have that is documented to a massachusetts militiaman. It could serve both sides equally well.

For powderhorn straps, thin leather is the best (1/2" to 3/4" wide) this was most common on both sides. If you do a native impression, a fancier strap might be okay, but simple is the way to go.

Thank you! Would an adjustable buckle be out of place? How would the leather strap be fastened to the horn?

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Re: Horn Strap Help
« Reply #6 on: February 13, 2022, 05:50:09 AM »
It really depends on what your horn has for attachment points. Do you have a horn yet?

Many earlt horns have a staple: the leather will be fed through the staple, folded over and sewn to itself. Some horns have a staple at the front as well.

Others have a draw pull looking end - in this case, the end of the strap has a button hole in it and it slides over the end.

For the front of the horn, If you dont have a front attachment staple, there are two ways they would attach the front - most horns have flat or narrow spot near the spout, where you can attach a strap and it wont fall off.
 1. You can wrap the leather around the spout and sew it tightly.

 2. You make a loop at the end of the strap and then use leather chord to tie around the spout to hold the horn to the strap.

As far as buckles go, many f&i were set up without buckles, but a narrow buckle (½ to ¾" wide) could work

Ive attached a few horns that use or are inspired by and their strap attachments
 







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