Author Topic: Are you a 1/3-2/3 or a 50/50 builder?  (Read 2758 times)

Offline D. Taylor Sapergia

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Re: Are you a 1/3-2/3 or a 50/50 builder?
« Reply #25 on: March 16, 2022, 08:43:17 PM »
I think that the proportions of the forestock are dependent upon more things than a ratio, at least in the initial stages of shaping them.  The thickness of the web, the diameter of the barrel and how much of it is exposed, the size of the ramrod you choose, all play a role in how the forend will end up.  And how it ends up is how it is...it's not something you organize and plan while the stock is still square.
I understand why folks might want a formula ahead of the shaping, so that they feel like they are less likely to make an error, or ruin the stock.  Authors of "How to" books often offer advice on proportions so the builder is reassured that he is less likely to screw it up.  But to me that is like trying to describe how to sharpen a pencil...Oh man, what happens if I get the cuts too deep, or not enough taper, or too close to the point.  This is going to be a disaster.  I can't do this!
If a builder is feeling these kinds of pangs, he needs to slow down and make smaller cuts and changes, progressing along more and more until he starts to see something he likes.  Your rifle build doesn't have to be a three day rifle.  This site has a plethora of knowledgeable and generous expert builders who are happy to offer constructive criticism of your work, gently steering you toward your goal.  But I like to point out that you have to make those first baby steps yourself...go out on the limb and test it's supportiveness.  Take a chance.  Enough philosophy already.
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Offline Ted Kramer

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Re: Are you a 1/3-2/3 or a 50/50 builder?
« Reply #26 on: March 16, 2022, 08:51:28 PM »
Wait Georg Castanza  had a T-square? Not that there’s anything wrong with that ::) ::)
He did until Kramer got hold of it....

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Re: Are you a 1/3-2/3 or a 50/50 builder?
« Reply #27 on: March 16, 2022, 09:53:47 PM »
        Get it to where you think it looks right.  Let it sit a few days and look at it again.  You will likely need to take off more wood,  the longer you are at it the less wood you will need to take off.  Handle as many originals of type you are trying to build as possible, your hands see better than your eyes.

Ron
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Offline Frank

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Re: Are you a 1/3-2/3 or a 50/50 builder?
« Reply #28 on: March 16, 2022, 10:07:57 PM »
I'd do what ever Peter Alexander doesn't do.


Glad to see that I am not the only one who thinks this way.

Offline Tom Currie

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Re: Are you a 1/3-2/3 or a 50/50 builder?
« Reply #29 on: March 18, 2022, 11:02:54 PM »
I eye ball stuff also but for a specific type or school of rifle I used to use my reference books and get some basics ratios on certain things like upper to lower foreman transition by using touch hole to nose cap as a base measurement. Just kind of helps ballpark a location for you and then take it from there there. Hope that makes sense.

Welcome back Jim, been away for a while myself and also enjoy the general dialogue here.

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Re: Are you a 1/3-2/3 or a 50/50 builder?
« Reply #30 on: March 18, 2022, 11:36:30 PM »
I’m working on my first gun from a blank, and an experienced mentor / instructor told me to think about 1/3 - 2/3 when shaping the fore stock. With more experience, both building and handling originals, that sort of proportion may come natural and you can go with what feels / looks right. But for a beginner trying to put all the parts together having a rule of thumb certainly helped.
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Offline Daniel Coats

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Re: Are you a 1/3-2/3 or a 50/50 builder?
« Reply #31 on: March 19, 2022, 01:20:50 AM »
Get the web thin 3/16 or less, expose half of the ramrod, expose half of the barrel. Shape the rest of the gun as slim as you can then divide what's left by 2.
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