Turtle Maker's Mark

[Seth Isaacson]

Anyone know whose mark that is? Its stamped the barrel and inlaid in bone/ivory on the bottom of the butt.  The Green River collector page says it was an unknown builder there. The rifle does appear to be one of their Hawkens but doesn't have any visible Green River markings.

[Mtn Meek]

Rambling,

Back in 2013, I posted a query to see if anyone new of a rifle builder that used a symbol of a turtle as a makers mark.  You can read that post here.

http://americanlongrifles.org/forum/index.php?topic=28370.msg272034#msg272034

I never did find out definitively whose mark that was.  The dealer I bought my Leman Turtle rifle from said it was built by a Bill Lloyd from Nebraska.  That was second or third hand information, and I was unable to confirm it.

If I read your post correctly, you've come across another rifle, a Hawken, with a similar turtle mark, is that correct?  I would be interested in seeing pictures of the Hawken if you could post them here or email them to me at plmeek@comcast.net.

[Seth Isaacson]

I don't have any pictures unfortunately. I am also gathering information second hand for another party. I believe this rifle pewter cap, two forend wedges, the turtle on the top of  the barrel and inlaid in the bottom of the butt, J & S Hawken markings on the lock, and iron trigger guard and buttplate.