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Offline JLayne

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Trigger guard polishing
« on: March 04, 2023, 01:40:41 PM »
I’ve completed a few kit assemblies now and one thing I always wish I could get better is the trigger guard polishing. My question is how do some of you manage to keep the contour lines on trigger guards, octagonal ramrod pipes and buttplate heels sharp and defined during the polishing process? It’s something I have yet to master. I typically file the casted parts to get out the pits, then sand the surfaces progressing from 60g, 80g, 120g, 220g, 320g, and finally, to 400g paper backed by a piece of flat wood (I wrap the paper around a section of one of those extra thick paint sticks made for stirring 5 gallon buckets of paint). Try as a might, however, the contour lines, especially on trigger guards, always seem to get rounded or dulled down in the sanding process. Any suggestions on how to improve this would be helpful.

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Re: Trigger guard polishing
« Reply #1 on: March 04, 2023, 05:48:46 PM »
Use a smaller backing like a four inche file and start sanding with 220 or 320 grit. The large wood paddle is too hard to control and the surface is too soft.
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Re: Trigger guard polishing
« Reply #2 on: March 04, 2023, 06:16:57 PM »
Are you wanting a bright finish? Does anyone know if the old ones were bright and shiny? I doubt it.Using power equipment to polish can get the bright but caution must be used to prevent injury.I installed a Jacobs chuck* on a 6"grinder as a substitute nut to keep the wheel on the right side and use a small expanding wheel with an abrasive band to polish the inside of the guard bow and to help contour the rear trigger on the double set triggers I make once in a while.
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Re: Trigger guard polishing
« Reply #3 on: March 04, 2023, 06:27:22 PM »
Yes, use steel for your backer, ie. small needle files. The wood is to soft.

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Re: Trigger guard polishing
« Reply #4 on: March 04, 2023, 06:56:31 PM »
If you're cleaning up castings... If you have to file at all, use small needle files and a light touch. A mill file is way too big and course. 60 grit paper is also way too course. Start with nothing courser than 100 grit... 150 grit is even better. I use double sided tape to stick the paper to popsicle sticks.
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Re: Trigger guard polishing
« Reply #5 on: March 04, 2023, 07:59:48 PM »
These have been recommended by people who know more then me.  They form to contours and don't round things over. 

https://www.gesswein.com/abrasives/finishing-stones/gesswein-stones/gesswein-ultra-soft-stones/

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Re: Trigger guard polishing
« Reply #6 on: March 04, 2023, 08:26:25 PM »
Don't polish.  File then sand.  The photo tells me the piece needs more file work.

For the rougher work, and the larger flat areas, I do begin with a ten inch mill bastard file.  I also use a 6 inch mill bastard as well.  For the smaller and tighter areas I use triangular metal files.  They give a fine cut, and are far more rigid than needle files.  I do use needle files.  A lot.  But I don't generally (there are always exceptions) use them on surfaces that are flat... and not where two flat surfaces meet each other to form a beveled edge.  I get better results with the small triangular files.

Work in good light.  Watch each pass of the file to ensure that metal is coming off as you intend it to.  Bevels can be roughed by filing across the piece; but I draw file, usually with a the triangular files to straighten up the bevels and give them a good edge.  Draw filing is also the best way, for me, to ensure that the surfaces that are supposed to be flat... are.  You can never get a good bevel where two rounded surfaces meet.

It does take practice to develop a consistent technique that works for you.  It's just as much a matter of muscle memory as it is hand and eye coordination.  Don't hurry.  Be methodical.  Be anal.  As you progress you'll find that you not only "see" the surface taking shape; but you can "feel" it as well.

After filing I sand, using my files as a backing as others have stated.  I sand with 150 then 220 grit, and finally with scotchbrite or coarse steel wool.  I don't over finish, or polish.

Anyway... That's what works for me.


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Re: Trigger guard polishing
« Reply #7 on: March 04, 2023, 08:47:23 PM »
Like others, I use pieces of hard maple that I have shaped in various ways to conform to the nuances of the guard, and wrap them with abrasive paper and cloth.  But the single most useful item I have for polishing guards is this jig I made from 3/16" thick brass sheet.  It consists of three pieces, ie:  two outer and one inner that acts as a spreader for the outer two.  A couple of machine screws pull the leaves together to pinch the tabs on the guard.  As you can see from the photos, you can secure the jig in any number of ways to access parts of the guard you want to file, and polish.  I sand to 600 and then burnish with 0000 steel wool.







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Re: Trigger guard polishing
« Reply #8 on: March 04, 2023, 09:00:22 PM »
I use a similar jig like Taylor's (just not as fancy) and I use needle files as well. I will also use a scraper I make from spring steel to scape the flats in, then it's just a simple polishing job with sandpaper (I too use steel backers)

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Re: Trigger guard polishing
« Reply #9 on: March 04, 2023, 09:09:08 PM »
I also made a jig similar to Taylors but out of two pieces of 1/4" aluminum plate - brass is too expensive to waste on a simple jig. I find that the sand cast guards are NEVER without twists and never straight when you get them. It takes some bit of tweaking to get them into somewhat of a shape to start the file and sanding process. I try to find the center line of the part then TRY to lay out the facets on the part then start shaping the guard as best as I can. I'll work with silicone carbide automotive paper up to 600 grit then finish it off with 4/0 steel wool or a very fine Scotch Brite pad. I don't think I ever used a buffer to polish a part. ::)
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Re: Trigger guard polishing
« Reply #10 on: March 05, 2023, 12:31:10 AM »
Check these out.  After filing, and draw filing, I’ve found these sticks to be very helpful for polishing guards and pipes.  As others have stated, small needle files work well for wedding bands, etc., but for the flats, I’ve found pillar files work nicely.

https://www.gesswein.com/abrasives/coated-abrasives/sandpaper/belt-sticks-stick-with-1-belt-1-4-blue-240-grit-belt-stick-with-belt-1-4-blue-240-grit/

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Re: Trigger guard polishing
« Reply #11 on: March 05, 2023, 02:33:13 AM »
I have always used the same belt sticks that Ed has provided a link for.  I also use them with spit or a light honing oil (spit is easier but the oil works better....just don't do what I did not long ago and start off using oil and then forget and stick the end of the sanding stick back in your mouth.... :P >:(

I use files (for large flat areas), then needle files and / or riflers where needed.  Then the sanding sticks:



They are plastic and spring loaded to hold 1/4" wide sanding belts of various grits.  I have a half a dozen of the sticks and keep one for each of the grits I use.  I use them for polishing lock parts, brass parts, barrels, and stock details.  As noted, when polishing metal, I usually use them with a light oil.  The belts don't load up as much with the oil.  Here is a link to some that are available on Amazon, but the sticks and belts are available from many sources including jewelry supply houses:

https://smile.amazon.com/dp/B079GHS13V?aaxitk=BjhPW.OfNRwSAJO2fZcH6w&pd_rd_i=B079GHS13V&pf_rd_p=591760d1-6468-480f-9b10-0ee9c85706fd&hsa_cr_id=9367417650701&sb-ci-n=productDescription&sb-ci-v=5%20Piece%20Sanding%20Detailer%20Stick%20Set%20with%202%20Extra%20Replacement%20Belts%20Per%20Stick%2C%205%20Grits%20120%2C%20240%2C%20320%2C%20400%20%26%20500%20Grit%20Made%20in%20The%20USA%20for%20Sanding%20Wood%2C%20Metal%20%26%20Plastics%2C%20Long%20Life%20Sanding%20Belts

And here is a set from Rio Grande.  They also have better belts.....more expensive but better.

https://www.riogrande.com/product/sanding-stick-assortment-set-of-6/337286

And, as others have said, I use stones.  Mostly the soft ones that will conform to contours quickly....again with a light oil.

A lock comes out looking like this:



After initial shaping with files, etc., I scrape most of the surface of brass and some steel parts.  I use the non sharpened edge of a utility blade.  This is a blade being used to scrape brass.  I use the same tool for brass, wood, and steel.  I stone the two 45 degree edges to a sharp 90 and use both sides of those.  Scraping a large butt plate takes about 30 minutes.  Scraping a whole stock to get out file, rasp, or carving tool marks takes about an hour...more if there is a lot of intricate carving to scrape around.  Then I use sandpaper where ever necessary or useful.

Here I am scraping a butt plate with the angled edge of a box cutter blade.  It takes off brass more rapidly and more smoothly than a file and leaves a finish that does not take too much more work with the abrasive paper or sticks.  I do the inside of the trigger guard bow like this as well.  If the part is investment cast, I can start right in with the scraper.  If it is sand cast, I usually hit all the surfaces with a file to knock down the roughness, and then start with the scraper. 

Wood comes off really fast and I have to be careful not to take too much.





As I said, I scrape some steel parts as well.  You just have to refresh the edge of the scraper much more often.
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Re: Trigger guard polishing
« Reply #12 on: March 05, 2023, 03:07:48 AM »
Another tip... use a wide tip black marker and cover the surface. This will tell you if you're filing/sanding flat. It also helps to show dips and imperfections.
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Re: Trigger guard polishing
« Reply #13 on: March 05, 2023, 04:37:11 AM »
Greetings,
I haven't used the fore mentioned techniques on Brass Furniture for along time now.  I burnish my parts with a Curved Tip Burnisher on smaller parts and a larger burnisher for flatter areas and Mineral or Linseed Oil. Wallace and Gary were always saying that Craftsman wouldn't spend money they didn't have to on materials.  It takes a little elbow grease but it will give you a really nice look.  And you can keep your nice crisp edges.    Hank

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Re: Trigger guard polishing
« Reply #14 on: March 05, 2023, 07:55:53 AM »
I’m not a fan of wrapping sandpaper, like 3M wet or dry, around a file for two reasons, one is you can’t get up to a protruding edge and the other it is too easy to cut through the sandpaper and leave a nasty gouge in the metal. Most of the time I’ll use aluminum something like 1/8 thick x 1” wide and 4 inches long and attach the wet or dry with Scotch permanent two sided tape and use light oil or a honing oil. If you slip your not going to be damaging the metal your working on. You can also file the soft aluminum into various shapes to suit the job. Also consider riffler files and die sinker stones.
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Re: Trigger guard polishing
« Reply #15 on: March 05, 2023, 05:34:58 PM »
Beautiful detailed work gentlemen!