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« on: September 08, 2023, 09:59:47 PM »
 hi all, did Kit sell gun kits  and/or  only complete guns? thanks. mike
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« Reply #1 on: September 08, 2023, 11:30:50 PM »
I do not know if he made complete guns or just kits ,but here in the UK he was in business has   {Normans  Of Framlingham ] enclosed is his catalogue of 1965 in which he advertised  gun parts repro  plus accessors and powder flasks
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« Reply #2 on: September 09, 2023, 12:09:20 AM »
 thanks  feltwad

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« Reply #3 on: September 09, 2023, 01:30:35 PM »
Hi,
I knew Kit back in the late 1970s and early 1980s.  At that time I don't believe he made kits.

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« Reply #4 on: September 09, 2023, 11:39:36 PM »
If Rudyard comes along he will have more information  has I believe he new him personally both in the uk and the States.
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« Reply #5 on: September 10, 2023, 03:16:19 PM »
  thank you Dave and feltwad.

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« Reply #6 on: September 10, 2023, 04:47:14 PM »
I thought he was called Kit for a reason.
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« Reply #7 on: September 24, 2023, 09:26:59 PM »
 ;D thanks dr. evil

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« Reply #8 on: September 24, 2023, 10:18:34 PM »
I knew him a bit late in his career, first at Ticonderoga and then also at Dixon's.  I don't believe he was ever stocking pieces from 'kits' but I know he had a number of patterns at Fred Miller's and I think when Fred would inlet a barrel for him, he'd rough shape it down to one of Kit's patterns.  I would not call them kit guns, but he definitely was working some (not all I'm sure) guns down from semi-shaped stocks as opposed to blanks.

He did a super long doglock, for example, for Robert Weil back in the 90s that was stocked out completely from a blank as I recall.  I think that was also the first 2-piece extra long barrel that Don Getz made.
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« Reply #9 on: September 25, 2023, 06:52:36 AM »
I believe Rudyard wound up with a lot of Kits stuff, but he will tell you better than I can!

A picture of that doglock would be something to see, Eric!

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« Reply #10 on: September 25, 2023, 12:07:45 PM »
His UK shop in 1965



his workshop

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« Reply #11 on: September 25, 2023, 02:58:21 PM »
The doglock was on the cover of MB magazine (along with a short article about it by Robert Weil) sometime back in the later 1990s.  Have no idea of the issue, however.  He used the Cookson lock castings from TRS and I think that was the first time a lot of people found out that TRS existed.
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« Reply #12 on: September 25, 2023, 08:41:18 PM »
Oops, earlier 1990s.  I guess it was April 1993.  Just got this from Robert Weil - it's all he has left.  If anyone has a copy of the magazine, I know there were more (b/w) pictures inside as well as details.

I had been working on early pieces like this at the time and remember seeing this and thinking "$##@!!&**!, where did he get that doglock?" because by that point I had only forged out a couple of them myself but of course nobody really wanted to pay for it.  The Ticonderoga shows were a blast but nobody wanted to spend any money.  It was the first I had heard of TRS, I know that for sure.

Kit did a really cool job here.  I wonder who has this one now?



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« Reply #13 on: September 26, 2023, 02:20:44 AM »
Weil just told me that Kit had his ashes fired out of a cannon.   :o
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« Reply #14 on: September 26, 2023, 03:13:40 AM »
He had a great little shop in his attached garage. Great lessons in how to do alot with little.


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« Reply #15 on: September 26, 2023, 05:10:05 PM »
He had a great little shop in his attached garage. Great lessons in how to do alot with little.


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A lot with a little.The name Tom Dawson came up recently as one of the very first or maybe THE first to reproduce
a relic down to the mistakes and accidents and I am so glad I was in his circle of friends.In 1967 I took some locks and maybe triggers
to Bill Large and Tom Dawson and John Baird were there and Tom had what may have been the first authentic copy of an S,Hawken
rifle and had another barrel ordered from Bill and he gave Bill a breech plug and tang to install in it.It was a copy of the Breech in the Parkman rifle which WAS a J&S Hawken in spite of the Hoffman&Campbell names on the barrel.He asked me if I could make that lock and he had it with him along with a hammer he had made and I told him it was a simple lock and I would make it.I did make an accurate copy of the lock plate and still have it in my assortment of caplock plates.along with the Modena plate which could be used in a pistol build.
  Tom's shop was in the basement of his house and he did buy an Atlas 10x36 lathe at an estate sale and for whatever reason he got a 5c indexer that he thought was part of the lathe and couldn't figure out where it went on the lathe.I told him it was not used on a lathe but was a tool used on a milling machine.It was and IS a Hardinge and he gave it to me and I still have have.Our 2nd boy was born on 29 July of 1972 and we had bought a new car,a 4 door Lincoln Continental and road tested it on a trip to see Tom and Helen and the new baby was then 6 weeks old and we made good time and the next morning at 4AM Tom and I got in the car and tool off across Illinois and when we left the driveway we WERE in Illinois on the way to St.Louis.We visited the Gateway Arch,had a good lunch and then to the Hawken Shop owned then by Art Resell and located in St.Ann and had a good visit and I got an order for as many Hawken locks and triggers as I wanted to make.We got back to the Dawson farm about 10 that night.My wife,Brenda and Helen Dawson had nearly became sisters while Tom and I were gone one of the Dawson girls had taken our son Robert Mark on a tour of the farm and barn.
  Tom Dawson left this life in 1989 and I can still hear his son in law saying "Tom died today from a heart attack".What smack in the face that was and still vivid in my memory after 34 years.One thing I do know is that Tom Dawson was making accurate copies of famous guns before that trend got going much later and I am glad he and his fmily became part of out lives and still are to a degree,
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