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Offline Hawken62_flint

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Who's lock
« on: September 26, 2023, 04:46:20 PM »
Picked up a mountain rifle that I'm told was built in 1973. The lock looks like a small Siler, but the inside of the lock plate has a stamp and P336 stamped on it. I can't find anyone that can say for sure who made this lock. Any ideas?




Offline Stoner creek

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Re: Who's lock
« Reply #1 on: September 26, 2023, 04:48:00 PM »
Haddaway lock. Made in Louisville Kentucky
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Offline Bob Roller

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Re: Who's lock
« Reply #2 on: September 26, 2023, 05:16:26 PM »
That is a Haddaway lock and I think he passed away suddenly in 1978.That Spring he asked me if I wouid make a Ketland flintlock for him so he could make a "Flint Hawken" but he passed away before I got it done. His little lock was and still is a good one and now seldom seen.
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Re: Who's lock
« Reply #3 on: September 26, 2023, 05:25:44 PM »
Thanks Wayne and Bob. I knew that someone would know. I have heard of his locks, but never owned one.

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Re: Who's lock
« Reply #4 on: September 26, 2023, 05:51:05 PM »
I still have a new old stock Haddaway lock. I’m hoping to use it on a special project somewhere down the road.
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Re: Who's lock
« Reply #5 on: September 27, 2023, 02:36:37 AM »
I shot the mountain rifle the lock is on today and it is pretty quick. It sparks well and ignition is good.  I'm satisfied with it and I hope someone will like it enough to take it off my hands. It's a righty and I'm a lefty.

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Re: Who's lock
« Reply #6 on: September 27, 2023, 08:29:50 PM »
This has nothing to do with this thread, but I cannot let the opportunity go by to comment.  This is an example of a lock that is never removed from the rifle during the cleaning process.  Fouling and water have made their way inside the lock inlet and caused the iron worms to get busy.  Note too the underside of the cock's jaws...fouling caked on there and no effort at all to remove it. It gripes me to see this sort of neglect.
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Re: Who's lock
« Reply #7 on: September 28, 2023, 12:12:34 AM »
 On that same note, I’ve repaired several gun with similar lock conditions that were previously used buy re-enactors. On one there was no indication that the lock had ever been out of the gun, and the previous owner shot this gun for almost a decade.

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Re: Who's lock
« Reply #8 on: September 28, 2023, 05:36:03 PM »
IT's great that some here make it a mission to rescue these pieces!  The pieces that were actually taken care of over the years, are the ones we still get to enjoy.  Even from 150-250 years ago!  The others are the ones that ended up in a trash pile, burn pile or landfill somewhere. 
 

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Re: Who's lock
« Reply #9 on: September 29, 2023, 02:40:03 AM »
You will be happy to know, Taylor, that after sanding, stoning, and polishing this lock still works flawlessly. I found out that the owner was trying to hide it in his basement and it fell down inside the basement wall and  was never retrieved for 20 or more years.  That might explain some of the rust.

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Re: Who's lock
« Reply #10 on: September 29, 2023, 04:19:04 AM »
Not my favorite form, but a major advantage of back action percussion locks is that they're sealed in the wooden stock, immune from cap and powder flash and detritus.

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Re: Who's lock
« Reply #11 on: September 29, 2023, 04:06:07 PM »
There have been several very fine back action locks shown on this forum recently.I have made exactly ONE back action lock in my lock making years and it was a common type with no fancy mechanism.Yesterday during my  mentioning Tom Dawson I forgot to tell of a fine
double rifle I got from him.It was a Holland&Holland deer stalking rifle,breech loader in 303 British and he had separated the barrels and
from a rest it could make "snake eyes" in the 100 yard target and it had tiny Brazier back action locks with exquisite workmanship and were the rebounding type.How many of us would reregulate a fine double rifle or even think about doing it? I made a matched pair of flintlocks for him with TRS external parts and he made a 58 caliber SxS with them and 2 rifled blanks from Bill Large that I brought to him.
Just yesterdayI got a note with pictures from Tom's grandson.Mark Brier and he is making a J&S Hawken copy and it looks good even "In the white".His mother is one of the Dawson daughters so this must be genetic ;D.
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