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Offline Jamie Hurley

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Longrifles of Vermont?
« on: October 31, 2023, 12:08:23 AM »
Don't know if this is the right place for this thread. Feel free to move as needed.

I'm pretty new to this realm, and am curious if there are well known 18th Century rifle makers that were active in Vermont/New Hampshire Grants.

Thanks for any info!

Offline rich pierce

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Re: Longrifles of Vermont?
« Reply #1 on: October 31, 2023, 01:31:25 AM »
As I’m sure you know, rifles were scarce as hen’s teeth in New England until after the Revolutionary War. As Dave Person has shared here in other discussions, the Hills family were prominent Vermont gunsmiths in the late 1700s and early 1800s. Hopefully he will chime in soon with more information.
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Re: Longrifles of Vermont?
« Reply #2 on: October 31, 2023, 04:42:06 AM »
Thanks for the reply Rich. That was enough information to kick-start my research.

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Re: Longrifles of Vermont?
« Reply #3 on: October 31, 2023, 02:46:16 PM »
Hi James,
The first documented gunsmith in Vermont was John Hills, brother of the famous Medad Hills and son of Benoni Hills.  He started his career with his father and brothers in western CT and then moved to Pomfret, VT sometime around 1776.  There are no known examples of his guns from his time in Pomfret.  He may have been working on muskets for American militias and the Continental army.  He moved to Charlotte, VT in the 1780s and set up shop on what became known as Hills Point on Lake Champlain. There are at least half a dozen of his guns made in Charlotte that survive.  Most are fowlers but 2 are rifles with brass patchboxes.  Those are likely the first rifles made in Vermont and possibly the only known rifles from the state during the entire 18th century.  John Hills died in 1808 and is buried in Barber Hill cemetery in Charlotte.  Vermont became a thriving center for gun and rifle making in the 19th century.  At one point there was a gunsmith in almost every town.  Makers in the state were famous for underhammer percussion guns and highly accurate rifles.  Not surprisingly, the Connecticut River played a big role as precision machining industries were founded along its banks.  Windsor VT was a center of industry and home to the famous firm of Kendall, Lawrence, and Robbins.  After Nicanor Kendall left the company became the famous Lawrence and Robbins Machine Tool Co.  In its early years, the company trained 2 very important young gun makers.  One was named William Tyler Henry and the other was Daniel Wesson. 

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Re: Longrifles of Vermont?
« Reply #4 on: October 31, 2023, 03:50:31 PM »
Didn't George Shumway do a writeup on a Hills rifle w/ brass box in one of the MB magazines going back a number of years?  Actually might have done more than one.

Some really interesting work, especially in comparison with pretty much everything else from PA south.
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Re: Longrifles of Vermont?
« Reply #5 on: October 31, 2023, 04:42:30 PM »
Hi Eric,
Yes, Shumway described both rifles in his "Longrifles of Note" series.  There are also pictures of one of them in Hartzler and Whisker's "Early American Flintlocks" on page 38.  They were kind of funky. This is one I built inspired by John Hills but not copying his actual rifles. I just could not make it that funky.




















I engraved the original Great Seal of Vermont drawn by Ira Allen in 1771 on the patch box rather than Hills'  door panel  engraving.



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Offline Jamie Hurley

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Re: Longrifles of Vermont?
« Reply #6 on: October 31, 2023, 07:06:35 PM »
Dave thank you for that excellent response.

I recently purchased Grinsdale's "Flintlock Fowlers" and see that there's a several page section on the Hills Family. I'll be studying tonight.