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Offline dmadacsi

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Help identifying this rifle
« on: December 23, 2023, 06:50:36 PM »
Hi, I'm looking for information about this long rifle I inherited many years ago. It belonged to my grandfather but I believe he purchased it at some point as opposed to it being a family heirloom. I'm not well versed in muzzleloaders but have used the opportunity to research this as a learning opportunity as well so I welcome any educational aspect to your comments. Hoping to learn about the age and make and origin of the gun. In my research I seem to make progress and reach one conclusion only to discover something else that takes me to a different conclusion. Hence why I decided to ask the experts here for your opinions. Thank you for taking the time to have a look at my pictures below and help me learn more as well.



































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Offline JPK

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Re: Help identifying this rifle
« Reply #1 on: December 23, 2023, 08:58:46 PM »
To start you off, it’s a fowler or what we now call a shotgun. These old guns are often found loaded so check that out soon.
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Re: Help identifying this rifle
« Reply #2 on: December 23, 2023, 11:32:47 PM »
Great, yes I thought it probably was. Any indication as to what the date and origin might be? I was thinking maybe it was converted from flint lock from a few things I read. Also noted some things in common with Dutch but then some with Belgian. But maybe its American.
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Offline Mike Brooks

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Re: Help identifying this rifle
« Reply #3 on: December 24, 2023, 02:46:56 AM »
I'd say Belgian. Stock appears to be euro walnut. 1850-60-70-ish?
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Re: Help identifying this rifle
« Reply #4 on: December 27, 2023, 05:55:32 PM »
Do you think this would have been a conversion or built as a percussion cap originally? By the way I can see a coil spring inside when I pull back the hammer.
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Offline Mike Brooks

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Re: Help identifying this rifle
« Reply #5 on: December 27, 2023, 06:31:56 PM »
Percussion. There shouldn't be a coil spring in that lock.
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Re: Help identifying this rifle
« Reply #6 on: December 27, 2023, 10:20:45 PM »
Here are a couple pics of what looks like a coil spring.





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Re: Help identifying this rifle
« Reply #7 on: December 27, 2023, 10:29:27 PM »
Take the lock off and have a look. Takes all of 30 seconds.
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Re: Help identifying this rifle
« Reply #8 on: December 28, 2023, 03:08:01 AM »
Looks like the threads on the lock bolt to me.
But, yeah take the lock off and take a look.
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Re: Help identifying this rifle
« Reply #9 on: December 28, 2023, 05:20:00 AM »
Thank you both. Yes, in the end I got up the courage to take the whole thing apart. It was indeed threads and I found some marks on the under side of the barrel. Trying to research those but please find pictures below.







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Offline dmadacsi

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Re: Help identifying this rifle
« Reply #10 on: December 29, 2023, 12:03:27 AM »
Here are a few with maybe better definition.





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Offline bluenoser

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Re: Help identifying this rifle
« Reply #11 on: December 29, 2023, 02:59:46 AM »
The "10" would be the bore size.  A 10 bore or gauge would be about .775".
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Offline dmadacsi

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Re: Help identifying this rifle
« Reply #12 on: December 29, 2023, 06:53:58 AM »
ok cool, yes that makes sense. good eye as well - i thought it was only an 0. Any thoughts on the others?
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Re: Help identifying this rifle
« Reply #13 on: December 29, 2023, 11:24:27 PM »
Three things that might make the other marks more legible:
Wet the area and then pat the surface dry.  Accumulated moisture in the marks sometimes makes them more legible.
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Work some chalk into the marks and wipe any overflow off the surrounding surface.
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Try shining a strong directional light on the surface at different shallow angles with no other light shining on it.
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Re: Help identifying this rifle
« Reply #14 on: December 30, 2023, 09:54:04 PM »
Unfortunately,I've already put it all back together. When I next find some time i will try that with the chalk. Thank you for the suggestion.
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