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Pattern 1756 Long Land Brown Bess
« on: February 11, 2024, 12:54:45 AM »
Hi,
I just finished this musket.  My apprentice, Maria, and I both worked on it.  It was made from a Rifle Shoppe parts set including their pre-carved stock.  The stock is black walnut and had some issues.  The machine inletting was sloppy in several areas and the quality of the wood could be a lot better, both of which compromised some of the inletting. We made do.  It is marked for the 7th regiment Royal Fusiliers some of whom were captured with their muskets at Fort St. John in 1775 during Montgomery's campaign to capture Canada.  It is stained with black and yellow aniline dyes, and alkanet root so it looks much more like English walnut. The gun weighs just over 10 lbs without the bayonet and has a 46" barrel that is 75 caliber.  We assembled the lock and did all the heat treating and engraving.  Now I have to test fire it and then hand it over to its new owner.

       




































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Re: Pattern 1756 Long Land Brown Bess
« Reply #1 on: February 11, 2024, 02:19:34 AM »
Very Nice

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Re: Pattern 1756 Long Land Brown Bess
« Reply #2 on: February 11, 2024, 02:47:40 AM »
You guys did a great job , I really like the stock color and finish !

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Re: Pattern 1756 Long Land Brown Bess
« Reply #3 on: February 11, 2024, 05:40:08 PM »
I know you've posted before on how you stain/finish American black walnut to look more like European walnut but I can't seem to find it. Would you post a link or review your technique? Thanks.
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Re: Pattern 1756 Long Land Brown Bess
« Reply #4 on: February 11, 2024, 08:06:14 PM »
What a beautiful musket. Well done by "The Team".
Daryl

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Re: Pattern 1756 Long Land Brown Bess
« Reply #5 on: February 11, 2024, 08:33:28 PM »
Beautifull job done, i like it.  Looking at the front sling swivel is its screw passing through a barrel lug or is the fact it passes through so close to the rod pipe pin lug it is not a worry?
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Re: Pattern 1756 Long Land Brown Bess
« Reply #6 on: February 11, 2024, 09:09:47 PM »
A nice job for sure!  I like it.

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Re: Pattern 1756 Long Land Brown Bess
« Reply #7 on: February 11, 2024, 09:21:54 PM »
You keep at it until it’s a silk purse! Nicely done!
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Re: Pattern 1756 Long Land Brown Bess
« Reply #8 on: February 11, 2024, 10:03:39 PM »
Really great work D and M! The new owner will be delighted, I'm sure.
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Re: Pattern 1756 Long Land Brown Bess
« Reply #9 on: February 12, 2024, 03:25:21 AM »
Hi,
Thank you all.  The "Team" will be back in business this coming summer.  We will be pumping out Besses, carbines, officer fusils and more.

Dave B, there is a lug on the barrel supporting the sling swivel and its mortise is close to the mortise for the pipe.  This spacing was copied from an original gun at Fort Ticonderoga.  The swivel must be close enough to the pipe so when the gun is held muzzle up to return the ramrod, the sling and swivel rest on the pipe and do not block the ramrod channel. Some lugs are a little further from the pipe and others as close.  But the key is that the swivel rests on the pipe.

Robert, American black walnut (Juglans niger) is often cold, purplish brown, and very different from English walnut (Juglans regia).  Let me clarify that English walnut is the same species as French, European, Italian, Circassian, Turkish, Armenian, etc walnuts.  In fact, when English grown walnut became scarce during the American Rev War, the British government imported massive amounts of the wood from Italy.  That should make Pedersoli Bess owners happy. Anyway, I learned directly from Kit Ravenshear how to make black walnut look like Juglans regia .  The key ingredient is to get rid of the cold purple brown with a pure bright yellow dye.  I sometimes use a dilute black dye when whiskering the stocks before staining because it shows up the rough spots but it also imbeds in the open grain of walnut.  When the black is completely scraped and sanded away, the imbedded pigment gives the stock an old mellow appearance.  But the key is the yellow color.  It warms the color tremendously and alone makes the wood look closer to English walnut. I use water soluble aniline dyes. Here is an example using just the yellow dye on black walnut.

 




 After that, I have to decide what more the wood needs to meet my objectives.  Remember, English walnut has a lot of variation too so I have to decide what I want.  Often I want more red or orange.  That is where the red alkanet root stain comes in.  Further, I also may tint the finish to give me the color I want.  I work at this with each stock and unfortunately, there is no rote formula.  You have to work each stock but knowing how to manipulate the color particularly with yellow is a huge start. 


Here is an example where I used yellow on black walnut but I wanted a more orangey color so I tinted the finish.





Now here is a gun in which I wanted to reproduce the usual lighter color of muskets made at Dublin Castle.







Here is a Tower assembled musket that often were darker in color.









All of the guns pictured were stocked in black walnut.

dave
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Re: Pattern 1756 Long Land Brown Bess
« Reply #10 on: February 12, 2024, 04:01:38 AM »
Thanks, appreciate the insight.
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Re: Pattern 1756 Long Land Brown Bess
« Reply #11 on: February 12, 2024, 04:54:39 AM »
Just      WOW!
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Re: Pattern 1756 Long Land Brown Bess
« Reply #12 on: February 12, 2024, 04:21:40 PM »
Hi,
Here is a tid bit of trivia for you gleaned from DeWitt Bailey's PhD thesis, which is the only place where I've seen it written up.  The British government realized the need to standardize their small arms at the beginning of the 18th century.  For more than a decade they solicited London gun makers to submit prototypes.  Andreas Dolep, a Dutch immigrant gun maker submitted a gun that looked very much like the later Brown Bess and had a large influence the eventual musket selected.  Dolep was persecuted by the London Gun Maker's Guild as a foreigner but he was a better maker than any of them and he had very wealthy clients in high positions of power.  Eventually, Master Furbisher of the Small Gun Office in the Tower, Robert Wooldridge, contracted with Lewis Barbar, a French immigrant  gun maker to manufacture 16 or so prototype muskets, some with 42" barrels and mounted in brass, and some with 46" barrels and mounted in iron.  In 1726, these were presented to King George I for his selection of the "King's pattern" to be standardized.  He selected a long barreled gun but wanted it mounted in brass not iron.  That became the pattern 1730 musket, the first "Brown Bess".  So, the iconic British musket was largely designed by an immigrant Dutchman, finalized by an immigrant Frenchman, and selected by a German King who could not speak English.  Irony abounds!

dave 
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Re: Pattern 1756 Long Land Brown Bess
« Reply #13 on: February 12, 2024, 09:11:43 PM »
Quite a story, but typical of politics. Contradictions abound. :D
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