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Kelhammer

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L.M. Fleming
« on: December 29, 2009, 12:13:36 AM »
Hello all, a friend of mine brought in a rifle to work today.  He says it is a family gun that has been passed down.  The top of the barrel is signed L.M. Fleming.  The plate on the lock is stamped Conestoga Rifle Company.  I tried a search here, but am new to doing such a thing and figured I would just ask after a short while.  He is just curious about any history.  I was unable to get any pictures of this rifle, but will try to obtain some.  Really the gun was not is as bad of shape as some I have seen, but it was not in shooting condition.  The gun has brass furniture, double set triggers, and a two piece full stock of nice striped maple.  It is a cap lock and looks to be about .32 cal.  Thanks for your time.      Andrew  :)

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Re: L.M. Fleming
« Reply #1 on: December 29, 2009, 07:46:20 PM »
 By the mid 19th century most gunsmiths were buying manufactured barrels and locks. "Conestoga Rifle Company" was  a name used by Henry Leman to market his lower quality guns and locks. Google Leman, you will find plenty. I could find no references to Fleming, the maker of your gun. If you post pictures some one could possibly identify the style and region it was made...Ed

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Re: L.M. Fleming
« Reply #2 on: December 30, 2009, 07:20:55 AM »
Your friend's rifle was probably made by Silas M. Fleming. He originally worked in western Ohio, Preble County if I recall correctly, then moved a little distance west to Richmond in Wayne County, Indiana, where he was working in 1850. He showed up there in an 1852 directory, and probably worked in Wayne County for some time after that.

We need to see pictures of your rifle if you want an approximate date, and to establish which state it was most likely made in. However, his guns didn't change much from Ohio to Indiana. They are distinctive by their "elongated, flattened oval" style of cheekpiece. While his guns were not overly elaborate, he was a very fine workman, and all his guns exhibit quality stocking. A few have inlay work. I've handled a number of them over the years, and one pistol, all percussion guns. All were signed in finely engraved script. He had two brothers (presumed) who were gunsmiths in the same general area. One, Thomas Fleming, worked slightly earlier and left several full-stocked rifles. Another "J. W. Fleming" has been reported, and all the Fleming rifles by the different makers have generally similar elongated oval cheekpieces.  Shelby Gallien
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Re: L.M. Fleming
« Reply #3 on: December 30, 2009, 07:23:18 AM »
Sellers' book AMERICAN GUNSMITHS lists L. M. FLEMING as a name found on both a percussion halfstock and a percussion fullstock. Sellers listed him as "unlocated".  I'll see whether I can find anything else.

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Re: L.M. Fleming
« Reply #4 on: December 30, 2009, 04:18:49 PM »
I will talk to Aron today and stress the need for some good pictures.  Thanks for the input so far fellas.  The gun did indeed have a long, flat, oval cheek piece. 

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Re: L.M. Fleming
« Reply #5 on: December 31, 2009, 06:05:21 AM »
I think the "L. M. Fleming" reported rifles are a misread of the tall script signature of Silas Fleming, both here and in Seller's book, and that is why that "man" cannot be located. Hopefully we can get a clear picture of this gun's signature, and its first initial. I've seen several of these Silas M. Fleming guns misidentified by owners and others due to inability to read the first initial. Of course, if a stamped signature shows up, it will really solve the identity problem.... but I've never seen a stamped signature by Silas M. Fleming. Shelby Gallien

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Re: L.M. Fleming
« Reply #6 on: January 06, 2010, 12:31:43 AM »
     Just a quick update, I will be getting some pics of this rifle.  The owner of the rifle, took it to a gun shop over the weekend, owned by a black powder junkie. :D  He was told that this gun could easily be made shootable, so he left the rifle there.  He was going to pick it up today.  As I under stand the threads in the side of the barrel were ok, so all the rifle needed was a new powder drum, nipple, and some TLC.  I am curious to see how it turned out.  The bore was reported to be pit free, with exception to an area near the breach.  The shop owner recomended some corn meal over the powder, and from the sounds of it was pretty dam excited to see the rifle smoke again.  I will get some pics up soon.  Andrew  :)