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Offline JH Ehlers

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Re: Ramrod pipes on a lathe
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Re: Ramrod pipes on a lathe
« Reply #26 on: December 07, 2024, 10:45:52 PM »

Thanks for the link.

I looked at Mark Silver's pipes under magnification, and it looks to me like the "beads" are punched. The intersection of the pipe to the tab is also interesting. Same for some of the antiques in the other images.

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Re: Ramrod pipes on a lathe
« Reply #27 on: December 08, 2024, 06:43:49 PM »
I think I have some waxes pulled from the Cookson, ramrod pipes from that Dolep pistol I have and  I'll try to remove a pipe from the Shaw. 

Basically the tab is just filed from the original blank rolled tube.  The beads etc are filed from the bottom area to be inlet to some degree.

I've bee pretty sick the last few days, but will get things as I feel better.

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Re: Ramrod pipes on a lathe
« Reply #28 on: December 08, 2024, 07:23:56 PM »
Thank you Jim, size, shape of the tab, thickness of the pipe at the tab etc etc, all those details matter to me. Or else I have to think up my own way of doing it.
Get well soon.

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Re: Ramrod pipes on a lathe
« Reply #29 on: December 09, 2024, 03:51:50 AM »
Greetings,
Back in '22 I used a die and force to press my pipes for my Dolep inspired Brace.  It took awhile to figure out but it was a fun challenge.       Hank


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Re: Ramrod pipes on a lathe
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Re: Ramrod pipes on a lathe
« Reply #31 on: December 09, 2024, 04:21:17 PM »
So, I've stashed the Dolep pipes somewhere and can't find them at the moment, but have some others to show. 

The first one shown above is from the Shaw gun.  It's interesting that it was rolled from sheet that wasn't of sufficient thickness to for the tab, so they just cut a mortice to accept another piece of material and brazed it in place.  If you look carefully you can see the joint.  The other slot seen is just to clear the underlug that happens to intersect the pipe mortice in the wood.  Note that the bulbous bands are filed off squarely where the pipe is inlet.

The second example is a wax pulled from the Cookson gun.  It can't be seen clearly, but I do recall the bands were so high that really thick material was required.  With this the case the tab was just filed from the material.  I think the original tube was just a brazed butt joint.  Note that in this case the bands aren't filed off in a square fasion but beveled off in the area to be inlet.

The final pipe is from a very nice Italian carbine.  I think it's shown on my website.  It's pretty similar to the Shaw.  Interestingly enough it doesn't show much flair to the bands.  They were obviously hand filed, but I don't think there was an attempt to make a flare.  Turning would work great for something like this. 

I need to look more for the Dolep pipes.

Jim

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Re: Ramrod pipes on a lathe
« Reply #32 on: December 09, 2024, 04:39:14 PM »
Greetings,
Back in '22 I used a die and force to press my pipes for my Dolep inspired Brace.  It took awhile to figure out but it was a fun challenge.       Hank


Those look like they turned out well.  I don't think that any higher end guns had pipes made this way though...  Trade guns yes.

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Re: Ramrod pipes on a lathe
« Reply #33 on: December 09, 2024, 06:47:14 PM »
Interesting, I did not expect to see them filed square off like that, do they butt against the stock or are the ring portions inlet as well a little bit.
Thank you Jim this helps a lot. If I make them like this I will probably skip the wrap around mandrel step and make them from solid stock, not much is needed for a tab.

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Re: Ramrod pipes on a lathe
« Reply #34 on: December 09, 2024, 06:50:45 PM »
Interesting, I did not expect to see them filed square off like that, do they butt against the stock or are the ring portions inlet as well a little bit.
Thank you Jim this helps a lot. If I make them like this I will probably skip the wrap around mandrel step and make them from solid stock, not much is needed for a tab.

They just butt up against the stock.  The rings aren't inlet.

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Re: Ramrod pipes on a lathe
« Reply #35 on: December 09, 2024, 06:56:36 PM »
That makes me happy, now it might be easier to file than turn. Also the Shaw pipe looks pretty thin in the portion in the stock about 1/32?

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Re: Ramrod pipes on a lathe
« Reply #36 on: December 09, 2024, 08:52:33 PM »
Yeah, I'd guess about .03". 

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Re: Ramrod pipes on a lathe
« Reply #37 on: December 09, 2024, 10:01:06 PM »
Greetings,
Jim I want to thank you very much for posting the photos and explanation.  That information would have saved me 2 months of R&D although I did have fun learning how to do it.  It's like you've said many times in the past, "you need to study the originals".  Not having that opertunity very often I Thank you very much for taking the time to explain to all of us.    Hank

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Re: Ramrod pipes on a lathe
« Reply #38 on: December 10, 2024, 05:29:27 PM »
Hank,
I agree entirely with what you say.
Often, we look at photos of originals, and after that, it's a case of reverse engineering.
So thankful for Jim and others showing the original parts.  Worth their weight in gold!

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Re: Ramrod pipes on a lathe
« Reply #39 on: December 11, 2024, 01:16:32 AM »
Had to give the filing method a go. Is it easier than turning, no, also not quicker, but the results will look good I think.






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Re: Ramrod pipes on a lathe
« Reply #40 on: December 11, 2024, 04:31:47 AM »
Yes Jim, thank you for posting the information about the pipes.
JH, that entry pipe is starting to look good.
Cheers Richard

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Re: Ramrod pipes on a lathe
« Reply #41 on: December 11, 2024, 07:37:14 PM »
Most of the rough in filing done on the entry pipe. Filed in a slight taper leaning away from the center. Sure is very time consuming but doing a complex shape like this on a lathe becomes very difficult by hand.




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Re: Ramrod pipes on a lathe
« Reply #42 on: December 12, 2024, 01:19:08 AM »
Wowzers!  That looks fantastic!

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Re: Ramrod pipes on a lathe
« Reply #43 on: December 12, 2024, 02:22:04 AM »
I'm envious! They are wonderful!
Thanks for sharing.