Author Topic: Can a second coat of Iron Nitrate be allied once the first is blushed?  (Read 2407 times)

Offline Rocketman58

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I'm working on a Kiber SMR and have gotten to the point of staining. The ( extra fancy maple) wood was well sanded and whiskered 3 times with final  prep sanding to 400gt. I applied a healthy coat of Kiblers Iron Nitrate solution last night , wiped off the excess after 20 min, waited an hour and blushed it with a heat gun.  There are no holidays and the color looks decent from what I can tell. Still, I wonder what a second coat of the Nitrate solution would have bought me in extra color/contrast.  This is my first venture into using Iron Nitrate so I'm admittedly green.
What say yee, is it too late once the stock was heated ? If not, what would a second coat do for the rifles appearance? Thanks in advance for sharing your experience. A search has me looking for the forest through the trees.
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Re: Can a second coat of Iron Nitrate be allied once the first is blushed?
« Reply #1 on: January 15, 2025, 12:15:00 AM »
I'm not experienced with it, but I do like this video:   Where he mostly shows darker results as he increases the strength of the solution.  Time stamp 15:35 he shows the darkest was a 150% solution, you'll have to view it to figure out what that means to him.  Yours looks about as dark as his 100% example, dark enough when oil get's on it. To me.

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Re: Can a second coat of Iron Nitrate be allied once the first is blushed?
« Reply #2 on: January 15, 2025, 12:21:49 AM »
It doesn’t look dark enough in my eyes. I blush to the color of a rusty nail.
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Re: Can a second coat of Iron Nitrate be allied once the first is blushed?
« Reply #3 on: January 15, 2025, 01:00:39 AM »
I am not an expert but I would use more heat, blush until the color change finishes but be careful not to scorch it. 

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Re: Can a second coat of Iron Nitrate be allied once the first is blushed?
« Reply #4 on: January 15, 2025, 02:34:54 AM »
OK, the dead is done.  I blushed it again then put on another coat of the Iron Nitrate. Waited 20 min and blushed it (twice) again.  The color has changed  to a darker rust/chocolate color. Less grey for sure. It's hard to tell from the ( 5K, LED COBB )lights in the room but there is a notable improvement. . Think I did the right thing.
Attached are pics of the second coat (both wet and after heat.)



Thanks all for the advice!


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Re: Can a second coat of Iron Nitrate be allied once the first is blushed?
« Reply #5 on: January 15, 2025, 02:45:38 AM »
If you're not happy with the color, sand as much of it out as you can with 220grit and don't change the shape. I sanded out my Aquafortis twice, then re-applied before I was happy with it. You can't sand 100% of it out,,...but a lot can be done.


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Re: Can a second coat of Iron Nitrate be allied once the first is blushed?
« Reply #6 on: January 15, 2025, 02:51:38 AM »
Okay that’s better. I normally add a coat of an alcohol based stain over that. Laurel mountain nut brown or Lancaster maple. If you don’t have that, no worries.
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Re: Can a second coat of Iron Nitrate be allied once the first is blushed?
« Reply #7 on: January 15, 2025, 02:54:31 AM »
My bro did this one.




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Re: Can a second coat of Iron Nitrate be allied once the first is blushed?
« Reply #8 on: January 15, 2025, 03:03:30 AM »
My bro did this one.




I'm guessing that one was done with Tannic Acid prior to the Iron Nitrate stain?
I considered that route but decided against it (for this build anyway). Seems when you have nice wood on a Kibler kit, it's hard to pick a bad finish option.
 

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Re: Can a second coat of Iron Nitrate be allied once the first is blushed?
« Reply #9 on: January 15, 2025, 08:42:35 PM »
I like these 'step by step' progressions with wood finishing.  Thanks for sharing the pics.  I know the pics are hard to get the correct colors to show over the inter-webs, but it'll be really interesting to see how this progresses with the finish. 

Thinking it'll be pretty nice looking ;)

I know this is not a 'how YOU should do it' forum, but these sorts of things give us noobs some ideas of how we could do things (if we choose to take the plunge).   And also how we can possibly change course if something is not going quite as planned. 

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Re: Can a second coat of Iron Nitrate be allied once the first is blushed?
« Reply #10 on: January 15, 2025, 11:15:47 PM »
I think you are right, Rocketman58, about the use of Tannic acid as well as iron nitrate.
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Re: Can a second coat of Iron Nitrate be allied once the first is blushed?
« Reply #11 on: January 15, 2025, 11:57:37 PM »
I think that treatment will be on my next rifle.  ( Seems to me I saw one of your rifle in a similar treatment?)  I really like the look but didn't want to get in over my head on this first build. The iron nitrate process was enough for this relative newbie.  In my case, the elephant of knowledge is best eaten one bite at a time :-)

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Re: Can a second coat of Iron Nitrate be allied once the first is blushed?
« Reply #12 on: January 16, 2025, 03:50:10 AM »
As I understand the use of both, the result is a black or almost black stock that has to be sanded back to the colour you desire. If this is wrong,
I'm open to correction.
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Re: Can a second coat of Iron Nitrate be allied once the first is blushed?
« Reply #13 on: January 16, 2025, 05:08:20 AM »




  Most of my stocks turn green once the iron nitrate dries, then it turns dark brown once it's blushed. I always steel wool the first coat nearly off. The end grain in the curl will still be dark and then after staining a second time the curl will be even darker than the first time.

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Re: Can a second coat of Iron Nitrate be allied once the first is blushed?
« Reply #14 on: January 16, 2025, 05:38:01 AM »

Alan M.,
So the brown photo in the middle is one coat, after blushing, but before being scrubbed back. Is that correct?
Do you have photos of the other intermediate stages?
Your color there looks really good to me.

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Re: Can a second coat of Iron Nitrate be allied once the first is blushed?
« Reply #15 on: January 16, 2025, 07:31:36 AM »
Sorry no other pictures. But your on track. Stain it blush it and I steel wool it back until MOST not all the stain is rubbed off. The stock will have a little color to it and the curls will still be darker. Stain it again let it dry and blush it again with a heat gun, be careful not to burn the wood. Then I use ammonia to kill the stain. If you don't sometimes the stain can continue to darken.  The finished gun in the picture has also been aged, that's why it looks darker around the lock and a few other places.
This gun today is near black, but the owner likes it. If that happens you can steel wool it back then add more finish.


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Re: Can a second coat of Iron Nitrate be allied once the first is blushed?
« Reply #16 on: January 16, 2025, 04:05:03 PM »
Daryl the stock you show that Taylor did is hard maple. Red maple will not give the same results. 
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Re: Can a second coat of Iron Nitrate be allied once the first is blushed?
« Reply #17 on: January 16, 2025, 10:49:52 PM »
Yes you may recoat with the ferric nitrate solution.  Let it dry on the wood before blushing, for good penetration.  You may also dilute the solution for lighter coats too.  I generally rub it back to enhance the contrasts.  You can tinker with this and with alcohols stains on top of the ferric blush if you want something more.  The Kibler kits don't come with any wood from the stock to experiment finishes.  You can still experiment in the barrel channel.  I don't like surprises on the finished stock, so I often have a dozen samples with slabs from the plank I am building with.     

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Re: Can a second coat of Iron Nitrate be allied once the first is blushed?
« Reply #18 on: January 17, 2025, 01:47:24 AM »
20 minutes is not long enough to wait for it to dry.  Yes, it might look dry.  It's not.  You will have easier blushing results regardless of strength if you apply liberally, then allow it to dry a good 24 hours.  If you don;t have that long, I'd at the least apply say frst thing in the morning and then wait until mid afternoon.  Trying to blush it properly with too much residual moisture in the stock is very frustrating and it never seems to color the way you'd envision and typically requires overheating, which might cause other issues.

I know a number of people from years past who used to apply, let it dry a good while, then slop the stock with oil and heat it at that point.  It's an interesting way to approach it - not my favored way, but it does work and typically goes quite dark.  It obviously prohibits either multiple applications as well as neutralizing if so desired.
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Re: Can a second coat of Iron Nitrate be allied once the first is blushed?
« Reply #19 on: January 23, 2025, 09:32:47 PM »
Thanks gain for the sound advice. I'm happy with the color and contrast of the stock after the second coat and rubbing it back.  I'm in the finishing stage now. This is at 4 coats of Tried and True Varnish Oil.



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Re: Can a second coat of Iron Nitrate be allied once the first is blushed?
« Reply #20 on: January 23, 2025, 10:58:08 PM »
looks pretty nice!  Well done!!

still amazes me when the wood grain and figure just POPS out in the final stages. 

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Re: Can a second coat of Iron Nitrate be allied once the first is blushed?
« Reply #21 on: January 30, 2025, 06:56:54 AM »
Thanks gain for the sound advice. I'm happy with the color and contrast of the stock after the second coat and rubbing it back.  I'm in the finishing stage now. This is at 4 coats of Tried and True Varnish Oil.


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