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Offline rich pierce

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Can of worms on DST location relative to the sear
« on: January 28, 2025, 06:03:52 PM »
I’m inletting a set of double set triggers today. It’s been years since I inlet double set triggers. Maybe 25 years.

Placement option 1: On placement, Dixon’s book says to have the front end of the rear trigger bar close to the sear. The notch on that rear bar should be just in front of the sear. This will give maximum hit to the sear when the rear bar flies up when the set trigger is released. This position makes the front trigger pull, unset, long, because the pivot is so close to the sear.  Wouldn’t bother me as I’d rarely fire it unset.

Placement option 2: Others say “line up the V made by the 2 trigger blades with the sear. This will give a better pull (less travel) when fired unset.  But where the V is in fired position varies with spring pressure by a lot.

What’s your practice?
« Last Edit: January 28, 2025, 06:18:58 PM by rich pierce »
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Re: Can of worms on DST location relative to the sear
« Reply #1 on: January 28, 2025, 06:10:26 PM »
Rich,
I don’t do many either, but I’ve always lined the sear bar up with the adjustment screw between the two triggers.
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Re: Can of worms on DST location relative to the sear
« Reply #2 on: January 28, 2025, 06:19:24 PM »
Rich,
I don’t do many either, but I’ve always lined the sear bar up with the adjustment screw between the two triggers.

Thanks, Dane!
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Re: Can of worms on DST location relative to the sear
« Reply #3 on: January 28, 2025, 06:21:38 PM »
I do the same with the sear directly over the adjustment screw.

TOW has a write-up about installing DS triggers but I looked and couldn't find it

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Re: Can of worms on DST location relative to the sear
« Reply #4 on: January 28, 2025, 07:12:01 PM »
There's a tutorial on installing double set trigger on here in the tutorial section.

https://americanlongrifles.org/forum/index.php?topic=32152.0

I posted it a lot of years ago. It has some typos and a some of the terminology needs to be updated a little, and the photos need updating, since the photo service app put watermarks across them. But the basic content is still there.

(It doesn't answer the question you raised in quoting Dixon's book, though, Rich.)

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Offline rich pierce

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Re: Can of worms on DST location relative to the sear
« Reply #5 on: January 28, 2025, 08:05:04 PM »
There's a tutorial on installing double set trigger on here in the tutorial section.

https://americanlongrifles.org/forum/index.php?topic=32152.0

I posted it a lot of years ago. It has some typos and a some of the terminology needs to be updated a little, and the photos need updating, since the photo service app put watermarks across them. But the basic content is still there.

(It doesn't answer the question you raised in quoting Dixon's book, though, Rich.)

Whetrock

Great! I was looking through tutorials but missed it somehow. Thanks!
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Re: Can of worms on DST location relative to the sear
« Reply #6 on: January 28, 2025, 08:23:05 PM »

Yeah, Acer put it in the wood working section. I know (from reading old posts) that other people have missed it, too. If we can get it updated sometime soon, perhaps we could also move it to a different section. I'll talk with you about that later.

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Re: Can of worms on DST location relative to the sear
« Reply #7 on: January 28, 2025, 08:33:09 PM »
Hi Rich,
It is a trade off.  Look closely at your set triggers when you set the rear.  You will notice that just as the front lever engages the notch on the rear, it pops up and then drops down again. That means you cannot have the front lever touching the sear as you might with a nice fitted simple trigger.  That space between the front lever bar and the sear is necessary otherwise the triggers cannot be set when the lock is cocked to full.  Consequently, you cannot eliminate all creep in the front trigger when used unset. The trigger bar has to travel that space until touching the sear.  That gap gets larger the further back the sear is located relative to the front lever.  Therefore, creep is greater as the sear is positioned back and less as the sear is positioned forward toward the pivot of the front trigger.  The second thing to know is that the rear lever just has to hit the sear at any location along its top.  It is fine if just the front corner hits the sear.  The force it hits can be adjusted by the mainspring and its position is irrelevant as long as it hits somewhere.  When I fit DST, I ignore the rear lever and just position the front trigger as close to what I would do for a simple trigger realizing I cannot eliminate all creep and the rear lever has to hit the sear somewhere along its top.  I tune my locks so they have light trigger pulls and then position the DST as far back relative to the sear as the rear lever will permit. That allows me a reasonably light and acceptable front trigger pull without setting and still have the set function work properly.

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Re: Can of worms on DST location relative to the sear
« Reply #8 on: January 28, 2025, 08:45:23 PM »
Yes, like Dave said.
The diagrams in that tutorial will show what Dave just described.



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Re: Can of worms on DST location relative to the sear
« Reply #9 on: January 28, 2025, 09:03:50 PM »
Excellent, fellas. Pete, the diagrams are great.
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Re: Can of worms on DST location relative to the sear
« Reply #10 on: January 30, 2025, 08:10:52 PM »
I too, tune my locks to have a light trigger pull.
When inletting for a DST I line up the V with the sear. This has always worked good for me with no problems.
More accurately; I don't even consider a V, I line up the sear in the center of the two trigger bars. Same as with the V method I assume.
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Re: Can of worms on DST location relative to the sear
« Reply #11 on: January 30, 2025, 08:20:38 PM »
I too, tune my locks to have a light trigger pull.
When inletting for a DST I line up the V with the sear. This has always worked good for me with no problems.
Yeah, I’ve heard that but noted the V moves with spring pressure. I’ve hit mine installed now and working well, thanks to the good advice here.
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