Author Topic: New .36 cal Rifle....Start of the wood finishing  (Read 21509 times)

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Re: New .36 cal Rifle....Another brass patchbox part
« Reply #100 on: November 18, 2024, 09:51:56 PM »
OVER THE TOP, Dave, over the top. WOW!
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Re: New .36 cal Rifle....All the patch box parts are made....next is to inlet it
« Reply #101 on: November 21, 2024, 10:42:49 PM »
Finished the assembly of the door / hinge / finial of the patch box.  Finished shaping the finial after cutting it out.  Then burnt off the pattern and annealed the brass.  By hand bending and the use of a small rubber hammer, I contoured the finial roughly to the stock shape.  Filed the second half of the hinge to fit the curve of the finial plate and then hard soldered the hinge half in place.  With all the parts made, I can start the inletting of the box......always fun !











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Re: New .36 cal Rifle....Some inletting started
« Reply #102 on: November 25, 2024, 07:37:28 AM »
Always tedious to inlet complicated brass patch box parts....but a little at a time it gradually gets done.  Door and finial in....side plated are next....then the latch assembly.

   





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Re: New .36 cal Rifle....Patchbox in...not finished, but in...
« Reply #103 on: December 01, 2024, 11:37:50 PM »

Always tedious work.....at least for me.....




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Re: New .36 cal Rifle....Patchbox in...not finished, but in...
« Reply #104 on: December 03, 2024, 10:26:55 PM »
Dave - do you do all of the engraving on the gun or off?
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Re: New .36 cal Rifle....Patchbox in...not finished, but in...
« Reply #105 on: December 04, 2024, 08:08:41 PM »
P.W.,

I always engrave the box off the gun.....along with anything else I can.  The thin brass parts will need to be well supported to keep from deforming them so I usually attach them to wood blocks with "cold cure" dental acrylic or just super glue them to well fitted hardwood blocks.  Either will release quickly with a little heat.  Like these photos from Reply 113 on a past topic of mine.....https://americanlongrifles.org/forum/index.php?topic=61759.100



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Re: New .36 cal Rifle....Engraving start...
« Reply #106 on: December 09, 2024, 12:16:22 AM »
Patch box parts fitted and then removed from the stock for mounting and engraving.....




Also installed the patch box closure spring in the stock and mounted the closure stud on the door lid.  Cut a square hole in the lid, filed a square shank end on the stud, and then peened the stud into the hole.  Also silver soldered the stud on the underside of the door.....







Back to engraving.....did the layout dye thing and then sketched the general outlines (very lightly) with a scribe point.....Started in on the side plates.  Not done with all the details yet but have the general outlines and some shading done.  Will get the finial and door to the same place and then go back for the finishing touches.






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Re: New .36 cal Rifle....Engraving start...
« Reply #107 on: December 09, 2024, 05:58:31 AM »
Dave, your work never ceases to absolutely amaze me.
Daryl

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Re: New .36 cal Rifle....Engraving start...
« Reply #108 on: December 09, 2024, 02:50:03 PM »
Wow!!!

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Re: New .36 cal Rifle....Engraving start...
« Reply #109 on: December 09, 2024, 02:50:18 PM »
My goodness, that's stunning work! Beautiful!
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Re: New .36 cal Rifle....Engraving start...
« Reply #110 on: December 10, 2024, 05:17:38 AM »
Thank you all for the kind words.....Here is the finial for the box.....almost done.  Still some details to go.  On the door I will probably do an engraved silver onlay.  Haven't quite decided yet...:)


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Re: New .36 cal Rifle....Engraving start...
« Reply #111 on: December 10, 2024, 11:00:12 AM »
I think it takes a rocket scientist to do work like that! :o
Daryl

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Re: New .36 cal Rifle....Engraving start...
« Reply #112 on: December 10, 2024, 01:42:16 PM »
I need to do a lot more engraving practice.

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Re: New .36 cal Rifle....Engraving start...
« Reply #113 on: December 11, 2024, 05:17:38 PM »
Once again, David, your work totally astounds me.  Great precision throughout.  Thanks for sharing!
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Re: New .36 cal Rifle....Patch Box Engraving Done...well...almost
« Reply #114 on: December 12, 2024, 06:29:52 AM »
Got the bulk of the patch box engraving completed today including sweating on the sterling silver onlay.  Still some details to attend to and the photo below of the whole box is just loosely placed on the stock.  The final fitting still needs to be done.  Need to plan out the rest of the engraving on the trigger guard, toe plate, ramrod pipes, etc., and get those done.







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Re: New .36 cal Rifle....Patch Box Engraving Done...well...almost
« Reply #115 on: January 25, 2025, 05:50:34 AM »
Back from traveling for a while and had some time to work on getting ready to stain and finish this rifle.  There was a recent thread on applying iron nitrate solution more than once, how long to let an application dry before heat blushing, etc, etc.  And of course, anyone who has ever used a stain on wood knows that the wood gets a vote as well.  Different pieces of even the same species of wood will take stain differently.  In addition, different ways of preparing iron nitrate solutions will give different results.  The following is not an exhaustive study by any means, but it sufficient for me to decide how I want to stain this particular rifle.  I post it here as it may be useful to others.

To start, the strip of wood I am using came off the left side of the stock along the barrel.  The surface was sanded to 320 and then four different solutions of iron nitrate were used to stain short sections of the wood.  The fifth solution was 70% nitric acid only cut 50 / 50 with water just to see what effect nitric acid alone would have on coloring the wood.  The following picture shows all five solutions and the result of a single application of each solution which was then allowed to dry.  Subsequent heat blushing left each solution as you see it.  No finish was applied but the surface was wetted with mineral spirits before the picture was taken.  PS....click on the pictures and make them larger.....easier to see the resulting stain color.



Let me describe how each iron nitrate solution was prepared.  Starting from the left: 

1)  The first solution is the plain 35% nitric acid alone containing no iron at all.  As a note, I should have also tried the full strength 70% acid as well....but I didn't.

2)  The second bottle contains an iron nitrate solution I prepared in 2009 in accordance with information Bill Knight had published.  In short, it involved dissolving nails in concentrated nitric acid in an ice bath (to keep the solution temperature from getting too high) and adding nails until the acid was exhausted.  The bottle was kept loosely caped for several weeks as the reaction continues for some time and can build pressure in the bottle.

3)  The third bottle contains an iron nitrate solution made by adding 14 grams of ferric nitrate crystals to 150 milliliters of denatured ethanol.  The ferric nitrate goes immediately into solution but after a few days an orange precipitate forms. When applying the solution, I shook the bottle and applied the precipitate with the solution.

4)  The fourth solution was prepared, again with ferric nitrate crystals, this time added to distilled water until the solution was saturated (i.e.no more ferric nitrate would disolve at room temperature).

5)  The last bottle contains a much weaker solution of ferric nitrate made with 1 teaspoon of ferric nitrate in 200 milliliters of water.

The top photo here shows the wood strip and all the bottles of various solutions.  The next two pictures show closer pictures so that you can see the effect of each stain a little better.  All thee photos were taken in afternoon sunlight.





Personally, the two most concentrated solution produced a color I liked the best (#2 and #4).  Not surprising that they would produce the darkest color in one pass.  However, the Bill Knight version (#3) came out a little more brown while #2 and #4 were a little more red.  The weak solution (#5) is very brown and did not produce a very pleasing color or accentuation of the grain (in my opinion).

Just thought others might like to see the results of this quick test.  One final note, actual finish would make the stain results show even better.  Wetting with mineral spirits was just a quick expedient.
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Re: New .36 cal Rifle....Patch box fitted & finished
« Reply #116 on: January 29, 2025, 10:46:49 AM »
Patch box final fitting completed.....will replace the screws with new ones on the final installation.....



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Re: New .36 cal Rifle....Patch box fitted & finished
« Reply #117 on: January 29, 2025, 11:50:23 AM »
Dang!!! I wish I could engrave like that. Impressive work as usually.

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Re: New .36 cal Rifle....Patch box fitted & finished
« Reply #118 on: January 29, 2025, 02:07:40 PM »
Awesome work here. Just wow. Great job!!


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Re: New .36 cal Rifle....Patch box fitted & finished
« Reply #119 on: March 25, 2025, 08:26:16 AM »
Just like the blunderbuss post....back in the shop and trying to get this rifle finished as well.  Here I made a sterling silver thumb piece.  Machined a female threaded insert and sliver soldered it to the back.  Made a screw to pass through the stock from the rear of the trigger plate to hold the thumb piece in place.....







Got it installed........





Decided to add a sterling silver cheek piece inlay......







Mounted the inlay in dental acrylic to start engraving......


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  Dave your work is beyond impressive...! 

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Phenomenal. Thank you for documenting this. I have certainly learned a lot.

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Dave, You do such nice work!
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Silver thumb piece installed.....



While I'm deciding on the rest of the engraving, I started on the stock finish.  Here is the butt stock in the process of whiskering and adding the ferric nitrate solution.....



After the first heat blush......



After some touch up and a second heat blush.......



After the first coat of finish......


"No man will be a sailor who has contrivance enough to get himself into a jail; for being in a ship is being in a jail, with the chance of being drowned... a man in a jail has more room, better food, and commonly better company."
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Re: New .36 cal Rifle....Patch box fitted & finished
« Reply #124 on: Today at 05:16:17 PM »
Dang!!! I wish I could engrave like that. Impressive work as usually.

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