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Offline Tomahawk

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Planning my first build.
« on: May 04, 2025, 10:39:44 AM »
I want to build a gun. Being a taxidermist I am pretty adept at detail work, and I have some woodworking experience and equipment. I don’t want to do a kit build build, but wit won’t be built from scratch. I am not concerned about using modern tools, I have a table saw, router table, scroll saw, sanders, drill press etc. I don’t plan on forging anything really (might cast a buttplate or trigger guard, but nothing beyond that). But I do want to start with a 3” slab of lumber.

My plan is actually to build a little feller rifle for my son. About an 9” length of pull. Either a .36 or .40 cal 28” rice barrel and let them cut my dovetails . I was actually thinking I would get the rest of my hardware from a pistol or pistol kit.

This is something that I will stretch out over the next year or two to keep costs down, as I can’t afford to drop $800+ all at once. The biggest expense will be the barrel, which I’ll pick up and then keep an eye out for a good deal on either a flint pistol or pistol kit. I have family contacts who log and mill so I’ll source my wood son within my network. Probably black walnut but maybe maple.

I have a friend who’s about 30 mins away who’s an experienced builder and has made some amazing guns who I can go to if I need him, but I kinda just wanted to put this out here in the either to get some general advice and maybe document my progress (it also helps me hold myself accountable). Does anyone see any problems or have advice? I may not even know enough to know what questions I should be asking or what I should consider going forward with this.

Offline rich pierce

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Re: Planning my first build.
« Reply #1 on: May 04, 2025, 02:26:11 PM »
This is a good step by step tutorial.  https://americanlongrifles.org/forum/index.php?topic=31173.0
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Re: Planning my first build.
« Reply #2 on: May 04, 2025, 03:19:39 PM »
Having a mentor will be  great  ,  his knowledge will help you avoid many rooky mistakes ( I seemed to have made them all)

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Re: Planning my first build.
« Reply #3 on: May 04, 2025, 04:13:16 PM »
You will find the three inch blank to be way too generous. 2 1/2 is way plenty. Depending on the breech size of your barrel smaller yet. BJH
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Re: Planning my first build.
« Reply #4 on: May 04, 2025, 11:18:19 PM »
If you cut the stock for a nine inch length of pull, and take over a year to build it... your son will have outgrown the gun before it is finished.

Better to build a gun your son can grow in to, and use for many years... as opposed to building a gun he'll grown out of pretty quickly.

My father taught me to shoot when I was around eight years old.  The gun I learned on was a standard .22 rifle.  The next gun was a normal 20 gauge shotgun.  I don't recall the length of pull being too cumbersome in any way.  And those guns would still fit me today.

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Re: Planning my first build.
« Reply #5 on: May 05, 2025, 10:42:59 PM »
I agree with mgbruch. I think you need to put a little more thought into what your planning to do. Getting your wood from a saw mill is not a good idea, fresh cut wood needs a few years to dry out to about 10% moisture. Then it could still warp so bad it can't be used, just a waist of time. Chamber's as kit scaled down for kids and women. Take a look at it, see what parts that used on it and buy those parts as you can afford them. I would check the Knob Mountain website for the gun stock or check with Allen Martin for the wood blank.  Buy a good gun building book . Good luck.   Al
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Offline rich pierce

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Re: Planning my first build.
« Reply #6 on: May 05, 2025, 11:03:09 PM »
Good advice above. ⬆️ f your sawmill has a kiln drying setup, you’ll save a couple years of air drying. They say 1 year per inch of thickness.

If building from a blank on your first try, I’d advise getting lots of practice with inletting. Get some thick scrap pieces of hardwood and inlet a pistol barrel and tang a couple of times. Inlet a lock a couple times. Figure out what works for you with the tools you have or plan to acquire. I recommend a straight-walled barrel for your first project, not a “swamped” barrel that is thicker at the breech and muzzle than at the waist. As you get going ask lots of questions. I could lend you a pistol barrel when the time comes.
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Re: Planning my first build.
« Reply #7 on: May 06, 2025, 09:49:51 AM »
If you cut the stock for a nine inch length of pull, and take over a year to build it... your son will have outgrown the gun before it is finished.

Better to build a gun your son can grow in to, and use for many years... as opposed to building a gun he'll grown out of pretty quickly.

My father taught me to shoot when I was around eight years old.  The gun I learned on was a standard .22 rifle.  The next gun was a normal 20 gauge shotgun.  I don't recall the length of pull being too cumbersome in any way.  And those guns would still fit me today.

Your right. I was shooting from the hip when I said 9”… I hadn’t actually sat down and measured anything. I will probably end up going with something more like 12.5”….
 pictured is: his rifle thats a bit too big for him with its 11”lop




Here’s him holding that 11” lop as of 2 weeks ago.





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Offline Tomahawk

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Re: Planning my first build.
« Reply #8 on: May 06, 2025, 09:54:13 AM »
I agree with mgbruch. I think you need to put a little more thought into what your planning to do. Getting your wood from a saw mill is not a good idea, fresh cut wood needs a few years to dry out to about 10% moisture. Then it could still warp so bad it can't be used, just a waist of time. Chamber's as kit scaled down for kids and women. Take a look at it, see what parts that used on it and buy those parts as you can afford them. I would check the Knob Mountain website for the gun stock or check with Allen Martin for the wood blank.  Buy a good gun building book . Good luck.   Al

I have a kiln and access to a few stacks of slabs that have been drying a few years, as well as a good moisture tester. But I appreciate the advice.

Offline ed lundquist

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Re: Planning my first build.
« Reply #9 on: May 06, 2025, 03:09:37 PM »
Get the kids safety glasses!

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Re: Planning my first build.
« Reply #10 on: May 06, 2025, 05:59:17 PM »
I have a 45 barrel I am not going to use, it's 13/16 and 32 inches long maybe, I don't remember exactly off the top of my head,  I also have a smaller blank of curly maple I have no plan for.  Let me know if you're interested and I can get exacts.  PM me your cell and I will text pics and details if interested. 

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« Reply #11 on: May 06, 2025, 07:00:10 PM »
Safety glasses and BRAVO! That youngster has the butt in the pocket.
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Re: Planning my first build.
« Reply #12 on: May 06, 2025, 07:15:45 PM »
A few years ago, I built a youth rifle. I posted a want ad on here for the barrel and lock and was able to get them very reasonably. I made most of the other part and only had about $400.00 in the rifle total.











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Re: Planning my first build.
« Reply #13 on: May 25, 2025, 03:55:34 AM »
If you don’t have any  references to help guide you, I’d recommend getting some and reading them,  ones that I’ve relied on have been Recreating the American Longrifle by Wm Buchele ( a real old classic). And “ The Gunsmith of Grenville County” , which goes into more technical detail on many aspects of building.  There are also others which I cannot recall off the top of my head right now. These are  anvailablr from some of the parts suppliers ,
Another source is any muzzle loader club members who have built guns if there are any in your area. These people are invaluable to a first time builder, and are always willing to provide help and guidance in my experience.
It ain’t rocket science….it takes some planning..,and patience….snd you will have a gun to be proud of.
mikeyfirelock. ( whose first gun hangs on the wall of his shop to remind him of how far he’s come, and how much farther he can go. )
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Re: Planning my first build.
« Reply #14 on: May 25, 2025, 05:26:53 AM »
Flint or percussion?  Lots of lesser expensive percussion locks around.
If flint and you want a smaller lock but are concerned regarding a $300 + small Siler once shipping is paid, maybe consider the M&G Classic?  It's smaller and sells around $220 + shipping.  And they are really good locks.
Good luck

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Re: Planning my first build.
« Reply #15 on: May 25, 2025, 09:51:18 PM »
Over the winter of 2023-24 I built a flintlock for a "small frame" person. My wife being 5' tall was a good source of "how does this feel".

Now, I took a few different "styles" of rifles, so those who don't like deviations from originals may not like the rifle, but it certainly doesn't look cookie cutter, and it functions great.

I used a GM 42", 7/8" 45 caliber barrel and I cut it down to 30". (I used the remaining to build a pistol). The LOP is 13".

For the stock from the lock back I styled it after a Northwest Trade rifle because of the simplicity of shaping the buttplate from sheet brass, and shaping the stock itself. I wanted the rifle to be easy to clean for a kid, so I made the hook breech from the old damaged CVA barrel I had. So the forend is styled more like a Hawken with 2 wedge keys. (Easy barrel removal for cleaning)  I also made the nose cap and RR pipes from sheet brass. The under-rib is from an old CVA. The lock is an L&R Manton as I wanted a smaller lock for a smaller rifle. The trigger guard is from TOTW and was a standard NW Trade. However, I cut off maybe 2"-3" from the tail, heated and bent the loop smaller to try and have it "fit" the rifle size.

I've shot it several times, but just recently have began to focus on tighter groups. All totaled up I have about $650 in the rifle. My time....about a zillion hours!!

I personally really like the rifle. It's lightweight and very easy to shoulder, aim and shoot. And I'm 6' tall. Anyway, if you want to know any other measurements send me a PM or just post.

And good luck with your project!!




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Re: Planning my first build.
« Reply #16 on: May 28, 2025, 04:45:05 AM »
I'd have him shoot from a rest at that age wearing eye protection.

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Re: Planning my first build.
« Reply #17 on: May 30, 2025, 11:06:45 PM »
This is a good step by step tutorial.  https://americanlongrifles.org/forum/index.php?topic=31173.0

I read Mike's tutorial with great interest. Except for a few things, that's pretty much how I build my guns. Great Tutorial, Mike.

Offline JJMarsh

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Re: Planning my first build.
« Reply #18 on: June 05, 2025, 03:06:37 PM »
This is a good step by step tutorial.  https://americanlongrifles.org/forum/index.php?topic=31173.0
Read this one. Very useful! Thanks!
I`ll return to this guide when I decide to do it, I think...