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Offline Greywuuf

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Upgrades to a beat up old back action seeking advice
« on: August 14, 2025, 09:51:51 AM »
I have posted in a couple of places about an old back action heavy barrel hook butt percusion gun I just got. I has a solid breech plug and a barrel pin. It also has a rather unsuported drum.   The barrel is 1 and 1/8 ".    I am wondering if anyone makes a patented  breech for that size barrel in solid fashion or if I would have to go to a hook breech. Also it doesn't have e to be patented breech ...just something that is not a drum ( scroll or snail I dont know all the terms) I would love the TOW Bridger hawken breech and a barrel key, but fitting a hook breech may be more than I want to do, have read a number of threads saying it is not a simple thing.  Any help or advice would be appreciated.

Offline Hungry Horse

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Re: Upgrades to a beat up old back action seeking advice
« Reply #1 on: August 14, 2025, 04:49:55 PM »
 I’m a little confused, is this an antique or a replica? Unless it’s a blatant parts gun composed from several old guns. I would not do a bunch of modern upgrades to it.

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Re: Upgrades to a beat up old back action seeking advice
« Reply #2 on: August 14, 2025, 05:41:56 PM »
I was mentored by a bunch of guys who were serious target shooters for a couple years in the art and craft of building percussion target guns from old barrels and locks and whatever. Learned how to refresh rifling, re-breech, and so on. One of those old fellas was from the 1940s and 1950s era of muzzleloading target shooting, when new parts were scarce and old guns plentiful. Nobody was ruining J&S Hawken rifles - mostly guns like yours. They did it out of necessity and frugality.

I restored a true beater - no lock, no signature, crudely stocked full stock percussion rifle for the sake of learning and doing it. Then I put it away.

I’m not against doing chop shop work on guns of no historic vale or rarity other than being old. The “loss to history” of a $300 late percussion wall-hanger seems minimal. But one is better off building a gun from new parts if shooting is the plan. Until you unbreech it, you don’t know if it will take a world of work to make it shoot accurately. Re-breeching will mean getting new threads cut most of the time. Remove the drum before un-breeching. Many times they are screwed into the breech plug threads.
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Offline Greywuuf

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Re: Upgrades to a beat up old back action seeking advice
« Reply #3 on: August 14, 2025, 09:51:42 PM »
I’m a little confused, is this an antique or a replica? Unless it’s a blatant parts gun composed from several old guns. I would not do a bunch of modern upgrades to it.

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It is an original, singed and dated,,just not by anyone particularly influential or "important" to the history i guess.  "G Morgan 1870".    To me a gun that I can't shoot is not worth having ( a true Hawken or providenced actual war piece or something excepted );    this gun has a realy sketchy plug and breech area ( inside the chamber based on my bore scope) and I am debating "fixing it" ...if I were to  fix it  I have never been a fan of the drum just hanging out the side.   Just asking questions i guess.     Wasn't sure if the snail type breech block even was available in a one piece.

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Re: Upgrades to a beat up old back action seeking advice
« Reply #4 on: August 14, 2025, 10:32:37 PM »
 Keep in mind I and several other gun nuts have seen a crowbar forged from a signed Hawken barrel that was considered nothing valuable enough to be conserved when it was made.

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Re: Upgrades to a beat up old back action seeking advice
« Reply #5 on: August 14, 2025, 10:41:43 PM »
Keep in mind I and several other gun nuts have seen a crowbar forged from a signed Hawken barrel that was considered nothing valuable enough to be conserved when it was made.

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And that too is now a "History" piece.