Mitch -- Tell your grandson that's a nice group on the top target. Took my 17-year-old granddaughter and 24-year-old grandson (both of whom have b-p "carbines" I made for them), out shooting in San Antonio (where they live) last summer. Granddaughter was shooting , and a nearby couple (shooting a .22 rifle; mixed-use range) noticed the smoke and elaborate loading procedures, and came over to watch my granddaughter shoot. Looking at the target (nice, tight group), the husband/boyfriend was impressed: "Wow! If that'd been a deer, he'd have been down by now!" Granddaughter was proud and grandpa was, too. -- paulallen, tucson az