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Hawk & Knife
« on: April 16, 2010, 08:08:03 PM »
Hi all are club rendezvous is coming up fast this May, and sad to say there are a few things that has slip from a long tradition of the club like hawk & knife. There only a few of us that carry hawk & knife when we do trail and there 2 targets worth 3 points on scoring its that bad.  So at the club barbecue would like to set up some games that would be fun using hawk & knife. So Iím asking for help on what games to play, thanks.  :o
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Re: Hawk & Knife
« Reply #1 on: April 16, 2010, 10:58:41 PM »
How about the ever popular Cowboys and Indians?  
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Re: Hawk & Knife
« Reply #2 on: April 16, 2010, 11:59:02 PM »
Hi ya Walker Mtn.

Welcome to ALR.  At our club rendezvous, the hawk and knife throwing are separate events, from the trail walk shoot.  Near to the camp, we have a tripod lashed together to hold a cross section of a log to throw at.  We staple a playing card on the block.  When it's time for the hawk match, we try to get everyone in camp to come over and participate....  those that don't come get yelled at until they do.  If they don't have a hawk, they can borrow one.  We try to have a bunch of prizes layed out.  Top score get's first pick, then 2nd place, etc.  

Scoring:
If the blade sticks in the block = 1 point.
If the blade sticks and cuts any part of the card = 2 points
If the blade sticks and completely severs a part of the card = 3 points

Rules:
1. The range officer controls the comings and goings and keeps score.
2. One person throwing at a time.
3. Each person decides their own throwing distance. (6-1/2 to 7 regular paces works for me.)
4. Each person gets 3 throws for score.
5. Each person makes 2 throws, then decides whether to keep the resulting score and make 1 more throw OR call the first 2 throws practice and make 3 more throws for their score.
6. Good natured heckling of the thrower is expected from all.
7. Have fun.

-Ron
« Last Edit: April 17, 2010, 12:00:04 AM by KyFlinter »
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Re: Hawk & Knife
« Reply #3 on: April 17, 2010, 12:27:03 AM »
replacement hawk handles always make popular prizes

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Re: Hawk & Knife
« Reply #4 on: April 17, 2010, 09:19:34 AM »
Thanks for the welcome Ron and rules for hawk match and yes hawk handle will make a good prize.  ;D
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Re: Hawk & Knife
« Reply #5 on: April 17, 2010, 09:59:56 AM »
I went to a voo last year that had a special hawk throw. They had this 12" rubber rat that they set on a stump. From twenty feet you were expected to throw a bowling pin (hawk) at the rubber rat. If you missed you got zero points. If you bounced the pin and hit the rat you got 1 point. If you hit the rat straight on you got 2 points. But if you hit the stump in any way and knocked the rat over you got -1 point. You got 3 throws to prove you could (kill) the rat. Prizes were appropriate for your skill level and ranged from some nice hand made froo-fraws to a good old bronx cheer. :D

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Re: Hawk & Knife
« Reply #6 on: April 19, 2010, 05:45:34 PM »
A hefty cash prize usually drums up interest.  50 or 100 of those gold presidential $1 coins in a leather poke would make a quaint rendezvous prize. 


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Re: Hawk & Knife
« Reply #7 on: April 21, 2010, 03:44:38 AM »
After dinner we play "handles"!! Make sure there is a trader around to buy a few extras,lol!  ;D

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Re: Hawk & Knife
« Reply #8 on: April 21, 2010, 06:26:37 PM »
After dinner we play "handles"!! Make sure there is a trader around to buy a few extras,lol!  ;D
Is THAT what it's called now??? ;)

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Re: Hawk & Knife
« Reply #9 on: April 24, 2010, 04:49:37 AM »
  What did they call it before?

ottawa

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Re: Hawk & Knife
« Reply #10 on: April 24, 2010, 03:06:05 PM »
some of he guys called it oooops ;D

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Re: Hawk & Knife
« Reply #11 on: April 25, 2010, 08:54:47 PM »
  We also have our regular knife and hawk competitions but handles is an extra curricular activity, not for the week at heart.
 HANDLES:
 1. a large sawed stump
 2. a stout tomahawk
 3. a good strong arm

Method:
 1. form a single line
 2. thrower must stick his hawk from either a predesignated line or,
 3. his "one turn" distance
 4. If his hawk sticks, he leaves it and rejoins the line.
 5. if by chance he or any other thrower does not stick, he(they) retrieve their hawk an stick it in the block in a horizontal position so as the handle lays horizontally across the block. He then returns to his position in the line and waits his turn. If his handle gets chopped off while waiting,he's out. If not, he retrieves it or what's left of it and trys again.
 6. Last man out wins. Prizes or wagers allowed.

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Re: Hawk & Knife
« Reply #12 on: May 20, 2010, 02:58:45 AM »
When I was timberin underground I had a helper that kept on breakin hammer handles, so I took one of the heads home and welded a steel handle to it and gave it  to him. He sure didn't break that one. Could I get away with a hawk like that at one of your "handles" matches Leatherbelly?                 Al

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Re: Hawk & Knife
« Reply #13 on: May 20, 2010, 05:35:07 AM »
   At our Rhondevous we have a ten target Hawk and Knife trail. I believe the score is part of the Primitive agg.

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Re: Hawk & Knife
« Reply #14 on: May 20, 2010, 07:53:27 PM »
The "hawk 'n knife competition has always been a part of our annual rendezvous.  For the past fifteen or so years, we have had a separate trail that has 22 targets.  Most are rounds cut off a big spruce tree.  All throws are from one turn, but you have to throw both your weapons at each target without withdrawing the first.  On some targets there is a saw cut separating knife from 'hawk, some laterally and some vertically.  One target is right on the ground.  Two targets are what we call "the Mumble-t-peg" (ph).  On these the target is on the ground and one has to make the hawk and the knife make a full turn in the air and stick into the block.  You stand close to the block and throw the tool underhand into the air to make it turn once.
One position has three blocks set about 10 feet apart -close, farther and farther yet.  There is a stake that you set into the ground where you want, and one foot or the other has to be touching the stake.  Possible 6 points.  Here, the first throw is a bit of a flick of the wrist, the second is a long stretch, and the third is a turn and a half, or two revolutions, depending upon your style, skill, and weapon.  One target has a rail laying laterally about five feet in front of the block, so it's best to thrown sidearm, parallel to the ground.  One has a large dead tree stump leaning away from you against a vertical tree, and a saw cut separates the lower part - knife, from the upper - 'hawk.  One position has two blocks, one on each side of the trail.  You have to throw at both of them but from exactly the same spot on the trail.  Another target is a definite up hill throw - most people throw low on it.  Another target is swinging to and fro' on a pair of chains.  There are lots of targets that are confidence boosters - simple straight forward throws.  Lots of fun.

One of the most fun courses I've seen was run at the same time as the rifle trail.  You had to carry both your knife and your 'hawk with you on the shooting trail, and when you came to a target, you had to hold your rifle or gun in the other hand while you threw.  Let me tell you...that is not as easy as it sounds.  Your balance is greatly affected by the weight and just the presence of the gun.

As LB has already pointed out, there is an in-camp block, and after the guns are clean, and supper is down, we often have a game of "handles".  It's always lots of fun.  It's a good idea to get your competition score in before evening comes to pass.
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Offline Roger Fisher

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Re: Hawk & Knife
« Reply #15 on: May 20, 2010, 08:46:20 PM »
The hawk and knife throwing is fading away... Northern Penna club has it as part of their mountain w walk was 5 throws each always holding your rifle or gun.

It has been cut to 3 throws each still holding your rifle/gun since it was where you had to do really well many points available there....

Still another rondy N/central Penna has the firestart, 5 throws each as part of each agg (rifle, smoothbore and I do believe pistol) but not holding your firearm unless you want to ::)

Another club had the hawk and knife in their agg; but has removed it ???

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Re: Hawk & Knife
« Reply #16 on: May 21, 2010, 02:28:44 AM »
We quit having aggregate shoots long ago.  It is always the same one or two people winning the aggregate, as well as all the events.  Now we separate the events with a small prize for each, and recognition to the best on the trail walk.
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Re: Hawk & Knife
« Reply #17 on: May 21, 2010, 02:38:27 AM »
We quit having aggregate shoots long ago.  It is always the same one or two people winning the aggregate, as well as all the events.  Now we separate the events with a small prize for each, and recognition to the best on the trail walk.
Most clubs go down 5, 6 or so places in their agg (at 2 day shoots) although the value of the prizes have started to suffer. One thing having the firestart, hawk and knife in the agg does is even the playing field.  Sometimes a hot shot offhand shot has his/her lead cut by a shooter who is a wiz at the hawk and or knife.  It also is a more primative match then. ;)

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Re: Hawk & Knife
« Reply #18 on: May 24, 2010, 11:08:43 AM »
Woodswalk at the "Pines" includes a firesart and hawk throw at playing card.   Time at firestart becomes the tie breaker if needed.

Our hawk/knife walk has about 19 stations.   High/low targets. Various diameters.   One on the ground as Taylor described.  One were you have to hug a tree.  Some where target has movement.   Spins, drops from above, or swings.   

It's not a big draw.   It does offer the younger crowd something to compete at.  Cash % is paid as prizes to junior/adult catagories.