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Offline James Rogers

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Identification and Locating a Part
« on: April 27, 2010, 04:00:07 PM »
I am trying to find a front pipe somewhat like this type rather than making one. I am not sure what they are correctly called and were found on some military arms of the 18th century. Any ideas where I might be able to find one in either old part or repro?

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Re: Identification and Locating a Part
« Reply #1 on: April 27, 2010, 04:18:36 PM »
James,
I think you're right, that is a military musket front pipe.  Maybe a Bess.  I'm not positive, but I think I've seen them in TOW's catalog.  If not, I'm sure the Rifle Shoppe will have them.
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Re: Identification and Locating a Part
« Reply #2 on: April 27, 2010, 07:02:31 PM »
I think the bess ones are huge. The one in the pic looks rifle sized. Artillery carbine, perhaps?
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Re: Identification and Locating a Part
« Reply #3 on: April 27, 2010, 08:20:31 PM »
Yes, IIRC this one was off a British carbine but at this point I will take anything I can find. TOTW does not carry them and I have not been able to get up with Jess at TRS for a while now. I want this to go on a cobbled gun with a 72" Rayl 12 bore and I am going to use plain steel pipes in conjunction with it.

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Re: Identification and Locating a Part
« Reply #4 on: April 27, 2010, 08:20:49 PM »
1st Model Bess pipe for wooden rod should work, they have the trumpet head on them. They are  for 3/8" wood rods.
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Re: Identification and Locating a Part
« Reply #5 on: April 27, 2010, 09:23:15 PM »
Yes, IIRC this one was off a British carbine but at this point I will take anything I can find. TOTW does not carry them and I have not been able to get up with Jess at TRS for a while now. I want this to go on a cobbled gun with a 72" Rayl 12 bore and I am going to use plain steel pipes in conjunction with it.


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Re: Identification and Locating a Part
« Reply #6 on: April 27, 2010, 09:29:46 PM »
I knew I'd seen one of those before.  It's from a 1800 Baker rifle.  Parts from TRS.  It will take a 3/8" wooden rod.

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Re: Identification and Locating a Part
« Reply #7 on: May 20, 2010, 09:21:07 PM »
Been trying for almost a month to get the Rifle Shoppe on the phone.
Anyone out there have an idea of another means of obtaining something like this?

James

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Re: Identification and Locating a Part
« Reply #8 on: May 20, 2010, 09:50:03 PM »
I'm not familiar how the original you referenced was made but here are some thoughts.  If it was originally cast, I would just start with solid brass rod, turn the shape and silver braze a tab on.  If it was originally formed from sheet, I would do the same.  In this case, you will have to swedge the bell shape and will have to start with thick enough stock to get the bands filed on.  For all the hastle trying to purchase one, think you will be better off making it.

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Re: Identification and Locating a Part
« Reply #9 on: May 21, 2010, 12:28:45 AM »
Here is an alternative to The Rifle Shoppe for the part:

http://www.peterdyson.co.uk/acatalog/BAKER_RIFLE_Parts.html

Hope it helps.

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Re: Identification and Locating a Part
« Reply #10 on: May 21, 2010, 12:37:51 AM »
Thanks for the help guys. I was contemplating having to make one of solid stock but I did not know the exact dimensions. I want this to look like a salvaged part.

Of all places I think I can find one from a Pedersoli gun.

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Re: Identification and Locating a Part
« Reply #11 on: May 21, 2010, 12:45:48 AM »
I met Mr. Dyson at the World Championships in Wedgnock, UK in 1998.  Fine gentleman.

 I would also suggest:

http://www.blackleyandson.com/index.html

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Re: Identification and Locating a Part
« Reply #12 on: May 21, 2010, 12:47:54 AM »
Thanks for the help guys. I was contemplating having to make one of solid stock but I did not know the exact dimensions. I want this to look like a salvaged part.

Of all places I think I can find one from a Pedersoli gun.

Mr. Dyson has many original parts, more than he can list, but you could begin here:

http://www.peterdyson.co.uk/acatalog/ORIGINAL_PARTS__TOOLS___ACCESSORIES.html


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Re: Identification and Locating a Part
« Reply #14 on: May 21, 2010, 02:30:54 AM »
Didnt the Harpers Ferry have a similer one? 1803  I think.    Gary