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Offline Dr. Tim-Boone

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Re: Ferric Nitrate
« Reply #25 on: June 17, 2010, 12:31:06 AM »
Just denatured alcohol from the paint store that I use to make my shellac.
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Re: Ferric Nitrate
« Reply #26 on: June 17, 2010, 12:36:17 AM »
Ok thats what I thought. I have to get some. Thought you might have tried drug store alcohol.

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Re: Ferric Nitrate
« Reply #27 on: June 17, 2010, 04:14:15 AM »
Hey, wonder if the stock would be happier if I mixed mine with some Jack Daniels!  Got a nice big unopened jug in the cabinet.   :D

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Re: Ferric Nitrate
« Reply #28 on: June 17, 2010, 05:32:51 AM »
That would be a good use for Jack Daniels!  Lord have mercy!!
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Re: Ferric Nitrate
« Reply #29 on: June 17, 2010, 06:45:08 AM »
Wow! You guys are great. I was wondering about mixing it with alcohol and came on here tonight to ask about it and here it is, Thanks everyone.

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Re: Ferric Nitrate
« Reply #30 on: June 17, 2010, 02:04:30 PM »
Tim,
Thanks for running the test with alcohol.  I am for ever trying to find something that will not raise the grain during the staining process.  I will give a try on a piece of red maple sometime in the futue to see the results on the curl. 

What size container of crystals are you guys purchasing?  I build about five rifles a year and don't want to have a bunch of chemicals setting around the shop for a long time.

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Re: Ferric Nitrate
« Reply #31 on: June 17, 2010, 03:22:23 PM »
Rakija will yield a nice plum color to your wood. Tincture of rotted horse chestnuts will add more brown tone.  1% infusion of Dragana's perfume will make the whole mess tolerable in the well vented shop.  If you really want to go deep into the wood, add a bit of that caustic soda that you use to burn roots out of your sewer.  Wear gloves and an M3 gas mask to be compliant with OSHA regs. 

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Re: Ferric Nitrate
« Reply #32 on: June 17, 2010, 07:57:38 PM »
I think one of the tests I will try before using the ferric nitrate crystals/alcohol on my actual stock will be to place a little baking soda in a small sample and see if any visible reaction occurs.  If it does, having to neutralize with baking soda and water would raise grain so I need to investigate another neutralizer - don't know what happens when you put baking soda in alcohol but that may be a solution.  Have to investigate some more.   

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Re: Ferric Nitrate
« Reply #33 on: June 17, 2010, 11:28:00 PM »
I think one of the tests I will try before using the ferric nitrate crystals/alcohol on my actual stock will be to place a little baking soda in a small sample and see if any visible reaction occurs.  If it does, having to neutralize with baking soda and water would raise grain so I need to investigate another neutralizer - don't know what happens when you put baking soda in alcohol but that may be a solution.  Have to investigate some more.   

Jerry, I have some mixed up from the trial yesterday...I will see what the baking soda does in it..both in water nd in alcohol......
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Re: Ferric Nitrate
« Reply #34 on: June 17, 2010, 11:36:53 PM »
Hey Jerry,  if you do try this maybe inlet a small piece of steel to see if it contributes to the anything or nothing.  I'd be interested in this little experiment.

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Re: Ferric Nitrate
« Reply #35 on: June 18, 2010, 03:15:33 AM »
Be glad to tell you the results when I get to it.  But I will be out of here shortly for several weeks.  Heading for cooler climate and maybe Dixon's too. 

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Re: Ferric Nitrate
« Reply #36 on: June 18, 2010, 03:57:07 AM »
It won't be cooler at Dixon's!! Thats for sure.  PA seems worse than GA/FL in the summertime for heat and humidity.
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Re: Ferric Nitrate
« Reply #37 on: June 18, 2010, 06:32:47 AM »
Dr. Boone, when you are from the Sonora Desert of Arizona where we always get 100 plus days over 100 degrees and about 30 of those days over 110 degrees, the temperatures in PA are like spring.   We break the summer into two pieces by spending a few weeks in the cool temps of Pennsylvania each year while visiting my 92 year old mother.  My wife wears a  light fleece jacket almost the whole time she is there because she is uncomfortably cool.   Really!  Our pool water in the summer was typically over 90 degrees at home (I filled it in as useless).   

Now having said this some bozo is going to try to explain it as being a dry heat.  At 115 to 122 degrees it doesn't matter, kills unprepared northern folks all the time in the summer in a matter of less than an hour. 

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« Reply #38 on: June 18, 2010, 01:48:19 PM »
Yeah i grew up in Redding and San Diego CA and can appreciate the AZ heat.....but man you have to admit that at 6am it is nice to be out on the tennis court..as long as you are back inside by 8!!

I do like your dry heat better than our humidity though (but not between 8 & 8)....Good news is that here in Atlanta its cooler and we have a  breeze most of the time.........  I would choose the mediterranean over the Carribean for vacation any day.......And AZ in the winter is nice.

Do you have an air conditioned shop for gun building??
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Re: Ferric Nitrate
« Reply #39 on: June 18, 2010, 06:57:04 PM »
Yesterday I did some experimentation with ferric nitrate. On a test strip I mixed with water, denatured alcohol, and rubbing alcohol [91% isopropyl]. There was no difference in color but the water did raise the grain.


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Re: Ferric Nitrate
« Reply #40 on: June 18, 2010, 07:19:36 PM »
Let's keep it PC - Boubon for Kentucky rifles, whiskey for Tennesee rifles, and 'shine for Virginia rifles!

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Re: Ferric Nitrate
« Reply #41 on: June 18, 2010, 08:42:51 PM »
Nate, thanks for checking that out. I was wondering if drug store alcohol would work. What proportions did you use for your test? Take any pics?
Tim its 70 deg. and 60% humidity in SD right now.

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Re: Ferric Nitrate
« Reply #42 on: June 19, 2010, 01:59:30 AM »
Imagine what the clan could whoop up, if only they had paid attention in 11th grade chemistry? 

I know that some wish to emulate the old masters, with their basic chemicals and all, but what strikes me as quaint is that some of these same builders will then put a bright touch hole liner on an antiqued gun.  This stands out to me similar to the diamond crunk in Lil' Wayne's front teeth. 

It ain't as bad as a bleached iron hardware in a new stock. Besides, the owner of the antiqued piece with a bright, shiny new, stainless liner can make up a good story how's the liner was taken from a broken officers fusil picked up on an imaginary battlefield.  ::)

I'm happy to see that others are thinking of, and asking the same questions that I have been wondering about and posting the results of their experiments. Great minds think alike, it seems.  :)

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Re: Ferric Nitrate
« Reply #43 on: June 19, 2010, 04:32:16 AM »
Cal. Kid-  I used 5-1 alcohol [or water] to ferric nitrate. No pictures yet.