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Offline KLMoors

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New .54
« on: July 09, 2010, 07:58:48 PM »
Hi guys, This is my most recent creation. It is a .54 cal, 44 inch C-wt Green Mountain barrel, Chambers round face lock, faux ivory inlay, Davis dbl set triggers, #3 stock from Pecatonica.  It is their VA stock but I am unsure if it fits that style completely or not. It is a big butted girl and balances quite nicely. The big trigger guard tends to make it feel bigger through the wrist than the Lancaster I built, but now that I'm used to it it feels OK.

I tried to put more detail in the carving and engraving than I've done before and overall I'm happy with how it came out.

Feel free to offer any and all comments. I'm pretty thick skinned, and thick headed according to my wife! ;D
















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Re: New .54
« Reply #1 on: July 09, 2010, 08:15:11 PM »
Great gun overall. I especially like the engraving. ;D
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Re: New .54
« Reply #2 on: July 09, 2010, 08:37:08 PM »
Oh, yeah. My first impression is of a great gun, great color, engraving, carving. What's not to like? Build another one, please!

May I add that your photography is excellent.

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Re: New .54
« Reply #3 on: July 09, 2010, 08:41:41 PM »
It's a Dandy!

Offline KLMoors

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Re: New .54
« Reply #4 on: July 09, 2010, 08:43:43 PM »
Thanks guys. Mike, if you only knew how many times I've been to your site stealing ideas! Even at a dime per trip I'd owe you a boatload. Tom thanks for the kind words. I had taken some pics outside but the color came out funny and it was 100 degrees so I gave up and moved inside. It took a while to get my lights right but I was working in AC so I was able to take my time.

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Re: New .54
« Reply #5 on: July 09, 2010, 09:03:21 PM »
There is just one major unforgivable thing WRONG with that rifle!!!. :D.............................................Its not hanging on my fireplace! Very nice gun! Nice workmanship engraving and aging!!!  :) :) :)

The suggestion I have for your next gun is to practice on the execution of your carving....it is so hard to get light even incised carving right..........takes a lot of practice.  The modeling on the very attractive tang carving appears different than I have ever personally seen on a long rifle......I may the one who is off base here but I would suggest further study of period tang carving. You seem to have the engraving internalized but this tang carving looks a little odd in the way the heart, leaves and blossom are modelled.......The modeling on the carving behind the cheek piece looks different and more fitting to the period.  .To me the tang carving looks more like what I would expect on an 1840-70 fancy rifle. Nuff said...does that make any sense at all??
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Re: New .54
« Reply #6 on: July 09, 2010, 09:27:50 PM »
 Nice work, Good looking rifle.

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Re: New .54
« Reply #7 on: July 09, 2010, 09:46:08 PM »
Thanks Doc, yup that makes perfect sense. I was trying to go for a more sophisticated look in the carving and I think you're right that it is a later style of carving for this early type of architecture. I find it hard, without just copying stuff, to get it all on the same page, meaning all with the same personality. Another issue is I'm just too dang stubborn. I like the general shape of the earlier guns ( big wide butts, etc.) but a lot of the art work on the earlier originals I find unattractive to my eye, and since I won't go one way or the other I end up in between.

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Re: New .54
« Reply #8 on: July 09, 2010, 11:27:48 PM »
I like the rifle.  Overall, you've created a lovely piece.  I don't have any trouble with the tang carving at all.  It reminds me of German influenced stuff, and fits the rifle fine as far as I'm concerned.  Your engraving is bold and confident, and not overstated.   The stock architecture lends itself well to a rifle that's fun to shoot, and very comfortable.
Critique 1...the beavertail on the left side looks in the photo to be above centre enough to be noticeable.
Critique 2...I like sights that are closer to the barrel.  Yes, you get heat problems from sustained shooting, but they look cooler to me.

That's it.  Very nice.
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Re: New .54
« Reply #9 on: July 10, 2010, 12:42:28 AM »
Very nice rifle Capt.  Well done.  Nice tight inletting and I really like your engraving.  I too like the tang carving and I think it fits in fine in with the carving behind the cheek piece, but I do have to say the "heart" did catch my attention.  I wonder how it would have looked without the heart or maybe without the top part of the heart, just leaving the V cuts to lead the eye into the rest of the carving?

I like the cheekpiece carving too, nice design and well executed.  Just my opinion but I think it would look even better if there was a little more carving to fill some of the area toward the buttpiece and the 2 corners of the buttstock.

Still, a great looking rifle.  I look forward to seeing your next one.

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Re: New .54
« Reply #10 on: July 10, 2010, 01:08:03 AM »
Thanks  again guys. I noticed that beavertail on the left side in the photos to. I've got to pull the gun out tonight and see if it is off. I'm starting to think I should take photos along the way!  Regarding the heart- I have to admit that I didn't even see it as a heart shape till after I cut it. I was trying to decide what to do with the tails of those little guys and I just drew that sweep between them and thought "hmm that looks OK, I'll go with that." Then I cut it and realized it looked like a heart! I don't know, but it kind of grew on me.

I read one time that you should draw your design one day and then don't cut anything till the next day. That way you'll see it with different eyes and notice things you didn't see before. Good advice.

Anyways, thanks for all the tips. They are a big help.

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Re: New .54
« Reply #11 on: July 10, 2010, 02:15:24 AM »
What's not to like? A great looking rifle.
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Re: New .54
« Reply #12 on: July 10, 2010, 02:54:59 AM »
Good looking rifle!  I especially like the color and the engraving.  What stain and finish did you use?

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Re: New .54
« Reply #13 on: July 10, 2010, 04:45:02 AM »
Mark, Here's my finish process. I wash the stock with lye water, let it dry, spray a little vinegar on it, let it dry, then I stain it with LMF maple and walnut. I start with the walnut to get it into the curl. I thin the stains way down with denatured alcohol. 3 parts alcohol to 1 part stain. That way I can sneak up on the color I'm looking for.   I just slightly dampen a paper towel with the stain and apply it that way. Let it dry overnight and then rub any excess stain off with a rag slightly dampened with denatured alcohol.

Then I use one really heavy coat of Formbeys satin tung oil. I use it to seal up all the inlets, barrel channel, butt, etc. and it soaks in better than anything else I've tried and it doesn't build up.  I just keep putting it on till it won't take any more.

I leave it a couple of days and then whisker it lightly. At this point is when I rub off any edges or areas that I want to look worn.

The finish I use is Chambers oil finish. I put it on with small pieces of paper towel. 4 to 5 thin coats. I wait a couple of days between coats. I will rub it down with some steel wool dampened in finish if it needs it. I think I did this gun one time on the third coat.  That's pretty much how I do it.
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Re: New .54
« Reply #14 on: July 10, 2010, 06:00:56 AM »
Nice rifle.  To me, everything lends itself to each other to create a great looking piece.  Congrats on a fine build.

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Re: New .54
« Reply #15 on: July 10, 2010, 06:41:15 AM »
Really nice early looking rifle. Great job.

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Re: New .54
« Reply #16 on: July 10, 2010, 04:26:09 PM »
Very nice rifle.  I particularly like the execution of the borders on the box lid and sideplate.
Well done.
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Re: New .54
« Reply #17 on: July 10, 2010, 05:32:24 PM »
Great looking rifle- I like the 'heart,' even if it isn't (argueably) p.c.

good photos, too, but next time, try a diffuser- if you need plans, send me a pm and i'll show you what to do with all that stupid PVC pipe you have in the basement.

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Re: New .54
« Reply #18 on: July 10, 2010, 07:39:50 PM »
Like the rifle like the pics.  Need to work to that level on both.

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Re: New .54
« Reply #19 on: July 10, 2010, 08:03:46 PM »
Very good job. I like the aged look. Enough but not too much.

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Re: New .54
« Reply #20 on: July 11, 2010, 04:14:56 AM »
Very nice looking rifle.  Simple, yet well executed carving behind the cheek, nice Germanic influenced carving around the tang, mixed with what I would consider English influenced engraving.  Very appropriaate for a Virginia style rifle.  I love a thick Longrifle and you've done well to capture that through the butt stock.  I also like the "roundness" of the forestock.  My only critique would be that to me, the beavertails are a little thin where they meet the lock panels.  Beautiful finish and very nice engraving.  Thanks for the pics!

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Re: New .54
« Reply #21 on: July 11, 2010, 05:55:17 AM »
Now that is a nice piece of work. Great architecture, and very good carving and engraving. What's not to like.

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Re: New .54
« Reply #22 on: July 11, 2010, 04:20:33 PM »
Thanks again guys for all the kind words, critiques, and tips. It is all much appreciated!

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Re: New .54
« Reply #23 on: July 22, 2010, 09:25:28 PM »
How's it shoot? :)

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Re: New .54
« Reply #24 on: July 22, 2010, 09:47:54 PM »
How's it shoot? :)
Well now the young gal read my mind..

I surely like that rifle and it's slightly aged look...I notice that the forward screw in the toe plate did give you a hard time and ended up oblong.. or am I having delusions (again)? ;D