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Adjustable shooting pouch straps without hardware.
« on: July 20, 2010, 08:59:24 PM »
I didn't want to "step on" Roaring Bull's thread on his bag, but he mentioned the strap wasn't adjustable because he had no buckles.  There is a way to make an adjustable strap without buckles and that is definitely correct to even the start of the 18th century, though I don't know of any originals that have it. 

This type of adjustment was seen in varying forms on most of the European Musket slings and some over the shoulder sword baldrics that go back even further than the 18th century.  I made a bunch of War of 1812 sword shoulder baldrics and that's where I got the idea over 20 years ago.  It is an adaptation of something that was in common use in the military and something that someone in the 18th century mililia would have seen.  That doesn't mean it was popular or used often, but since it is "period" in form, I don't see why someone else in that time period could not have made such a thing.  Necessity was even MORE the Mother of Invention then. 

Here is a link to a musket sling I will use to describe how to make the adjustable straps.

http://www.najecki.com/repro/musket/SlingE.html

The short bottom strap at the back of the bag would have a sewn on loop at the top - like the loop you see in the top picture and at the bottom of the top picture on the left side.  You would also make a sliding loop that goes on the short strap between the bag and sewn on top loop.  You can see a sliding loop in the same top photograph and on the bottom right side.   The sliding loop will go over both pieces of the rear strap and keep the two pieces together.

The rear end of the long front strap could be cut square; but it would look better as a half circle, spear point, or even with clipped ends on it.  Whatever suits your fancy.  Now, to make it adjustable, you have to punch four holes near the end.  If you look at the bottom picture in the link, you see four punched holes near the end of the strap that a leather "wang" is threaded through and tied.   AFTER you punch those holes, you slide the long strap end through the sewn on loop at the top of the shorter/rear strap and through the sliding loop.  Then you use those four holes as a guide to punch a series of four holes in the short rear strap to match.   You would make the first set of holes in the lower strap close to the top of the bag.  Then make two or three more sets of holes going up the short strap.  That allows you to move the long strap up the short strap and lengthen the overall length of the entire adjustable strap when you wear a heavy coat for example.  After you move the strap to the position you want, then you tie the leather "wang" or strip as shown in the bottom picture of the link.  The sliding leather loop is positioned between where you tie the two straps together and the sewn on loop.

If you REALLY wanted to get fancy, you could punch two series of four holes in the end of the long strap and use two leather "wangs" or strips to tie the two straps together.  I'm not sure I would advise that because a whole bunch of holes would weaken the straps.  Two or even three sets of holes would not weaken the lower strap that much.

If anyone is wondering about the strength of tying two pieces of leather together this way, then I would offer the evidence that this is the way musket slings were closed near the butt and there is a LOT more stress on a musket sling than on a shooting pouch. 

Gus
 


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Re: Adjustable shooting pouch straps without hardware.
« Reply #1 on: July 20, 2010, 09:07:32 PM »
P.S.  I always tie the leather wang or strip with a square knot on the end so you can loosen it when you want.

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Re: Adjustable shooting pouch straps without hardware.
« Reply #2 on: July 20, 2010, 11:39:10 PM »
gonna have to work on that one and see what I can come up with but it sounds really cool looking!

Thanks Gus!

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Re: Adjustable shooting pouch straps without hardware.
« Reply #3 on: July 21, 2010, 12:05:35 AM »
  I saw a button once on the strap of an old bag, it was on the lower strap with three holes spaced a couple of inches apart on the upper, the strap was broken so there may have been more below the break. Unfortunately the bag as in tatters. The back of the bag was made of very thick stiff leather, certainly more than 9 pr 10 oz, that is what the straps were stitched to, may have been rawhide, they, the straps were thinner and spliced, partial replacements I'm sure. The rest, what was left was very thin. It was found up around Fulks Run, Rockingham Co. Va.
 Another option would be a button on the back of the bag as we have seen posted.

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Re: Adjustable shooting pouch straps without hardware.
« Reply #4 on: July 21, 2010, 04:22:05 PM »
Tim,

I agree a button on the back of the bag is both documented and easier. 

However, the button had torn through the leather on the original bag, if I'm not mistaken.  I speculate that's because all the stress of the strap was put on just one small sewed knot.  Now we will never know how long it took the button's knot to tear through the leather, but it still seems like a weak spot.  I'm not sure I would use a button on anything less than four to five ounce leather for the bag and even then I'm not sure how quickly it would tear out.  Probably the more the bag is used and in bad weather, the quicker it will tear out - even if you put a thick piece of leather inside the bag to reenforce the area around the knot.

I came up with this method back in the 80's on three or four shooting pouches and they are all still sound as a dollar used to be.  At least two of the bags have been used heavily for hunting in winter, besides used at monthly shooting matches, etc.  I admit I never got a lot of call for pouches with this kind of adjustment strap as most people wanted a period brass or iron buckle. 

Gus

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Re: Adjustable shooting pouch straps without hardware.
« Reply #5 on: July 23, 2010, 04:05:05 AM »
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However, the button had torn through the leather on the original bag, if I'm not mistaken.

It won't tear through, at least not easily, if it is anchored to another button.   That is what I am doing now.    I am more concerned about the thread breaking even though I use three loops of 5-ply linen.   

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Re: Adjustable shooting pouch straps without hardware.
« Reply #6 on: July 23, 2010, 04:45:30 PM »
Gus

I have a bag with an adjustable strap like you describe. I have used it for about ten years now and it shows no signs of weakening. When I made it I made 3 different positions on the strap for the seasons. Just thought I'd put in my two cents worth.
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Re: Adjustable shooting pouch straps without hardware.
« Reply #7 on: July 23, 2010, 06:24:18 PM »
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However, the button had torn through the leather on the original bag, if I'm not mistaken.

It won't tear through, at least not easily, if it is anchored to another button.   That is what I am doing now.    I am more concerned about the thread breaking even though I use three loops of 5-ply linen.  

Mark E.


I can see that point, Mark.  I wonder if it would be better to punch a small round hole through the leather the thread would go through and that way the thread and buttons would work as sort of period "sleeve buttons" shown in this link:

http://www.wmboothdraper.com/store/index.php?main_page=product_info&cPath=15&products_id=213

Maybe not and I'm just speculating, but I think that would take some of the stress off the holes in the leather?

Gus

Modified to add I just want everyone to know I'm not trying to be overly critical of anyway that anyone wants to make adjustable straps on their own shooting bag.  There is certainly nothing wrong with doing it exactly like an original bag was constructed.  What I'm trying to speculate on is how to make stuff authentically and still wear a long time.

Gus
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Re: Adjustable shooting pouch straps without hardware.
« Reply #8 on: July 23, 2010, 06:29:06 PM »
Gus

I have a bag with an adjustable strap like you describe. I have used it for about ten years now and it shows no signs of weakening. When I made it I made 3 different positions on the strap for the seasons. Just thought I'd put in my two cents worth.
Steve

Steve,

Thanks for adding that.

Gus