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Offline frogwalking

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Trigger Guard Inlet
« on: September 02, 2010, 10:49:43 PM »
Just starting to inlet the trigger guard into a Virginia style fowler.  Walnut stock.  Kit.  The forward part of the guard has a beautiful flaming urn finial, with a reinforced attachment to the rest of the guard (a little thicker  here)  Inletting this into the foreend, I found the ramrod hole.  It appears if I inlet the Trigger guard in the normal manner I will cut into the ramrod hole.  What do I do at this point?

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Offline Tom Currie

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Re: Trigger Guard Inlet
« Reply #1 on: September 02, 2010, 11:50:33 PM »
Sounds like you have minimum wood over the RR hole to start with.

How thick is this reinforced part of the extension ? Can you file a lenghtwise groove in it to allow the RR to slide in fully ? That what I would look at.
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Re: Trigger Guard Inlet
« Reply #2 on: September 02, 2010, 11:53:29 PM »
What Tom said.....  and taper the end of the ramrod.  Between the 2 maybe you can get enough clearance.

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Re: Trigger Guard Inlet
« Reply #3 on: September 03, 2010, 12:00:40 AM »
You are using the tab on the top, front of the trigger bow and not the one on top of the front finial right?
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Re: Trigger Guard Inlet
« Reply #4 on: September 03, 2010, 12:27:06 AM »
The ramrod can often run into or stop against the front lug of the guard.  I file the lug etc to a minimal fore and aft dimension for good pinning etc.

If the front extension of the guard is revealing the ramrod hole as you inlet it, then you'd have to be pretty judicious and thin it down a lot, and let the sides of the inlet support the front extension.
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Re: Trigger Guard Inlet
« Reply #5 on: September 03, 2010, 12:30:42 AM »
  I would move the lug, if that would work.
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Re: Trigger Guard Inlet
« Reply #6 on: September 03, 2010, 12:47:01 AM »
Iaahve run into that problem and have one like that now in my smooth rifle.  The ramrod rests qagainst the trigger guard finial.  Taper the ramrod.  Originals generally had very pronounced tapers on the ramrods.  The lug should be placed like Roger stated.

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Re: Trigger Guard Inlet
« Reply #7 on: September 03, 2010, 02:02:16 AM »
Thanks folks.  The lock bolts went in fine with  no interference from the ramrod hole so I cannot complain about it now.  I think I will inlet the front only about 1/16 inch and as suggested, increase the degree of ramrod taper somewhat.  It really won't matter if the ramrod hole is visible when the guard is removed.  The front attachment lug is behind the end of the ramrod hole so is not a problem at all. 
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Offline Pete G.

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Re: Trigger Guard Inlet
« Reply #8 on: September 03, 2010, 02:51:41 AM »
Most of the finials that I have seen on fowlers stood a little proud of the wood anyhow. They don't seem to go in as deep as those on  rifle. You might be fine as is. Perhaps file a slight groove down the middle to make sure the rod doesn't snag on a corner.
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Re: Trigger Guard Inlet
« Reply #9 on: September 03, 2010, 11:38:42 PM »
So far, I have worked on this trigger guard finial longer than it took to clean up the lock inlet and have it in place.  I have the finial inlet about 1/16 inch and need a little additional on the part near and at the trigger plate.  I ground the corner of trigger plate with my moto-tool to provide clearance for the guard.  It is going to work ok. 
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Re: Trigger Guard Inlet
« Reply #10 on: September 04, 2010, 06:23:18 PM »
Quote from: Pete G on September 03, 2010, 02:51:41 AM
Most of the finials that I have seen on fowlers stood a little proud of the wood anyhow. They don't seem to go in as deep as those on  rifle. You might be fine as is. Perhaps file a slight groove down the middle to make sure the rod doesn't snag on a corner.
Not on originals. Fowling gun trigger guards are inlet just like anything else. It is not at all unusual to break into the ram rod channel on a properly skinny fowling gun. These guns are supposed to be SLIM. Taper your rod, most of the original English fowling guns I have seen had rods less than or right at 1/4" on the little end.
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Re: Trigger Guard Inlet
« Reply #11 on: September 04, 2010, 07:42:06 PM »
an English gun, typical fowler guard.


Same gun. The finial has sprung a bit from its inlet, but you can see that it shouldn't stick out of the wood too much.
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Re: Trigger Guard Inlet
« Reply #12 on: September 04, 2010, 08:41:54 PM »
That Pickfat  gun has shrunk quite a bit in the past couple hundred years. The trigger guard was originally  inlet to the proper depth, which is what I believe Tom is trying to point out. ;)
 I wouldn't be at all surprised to see the ram rod hole visible under that guard if it were taken off.
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Re: Trigger Guard Inlet
« Reply #13 on: September 04, 2010, 10:30:48 PM »
I didn't have the guard off, but I would assume the RR hole would be visible. And so what if it does break thru? Not a problem. Only if the wood gets paper thin in the grip area will there be an issue.
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Re: Trigger Guard Inlet
« Reply #14 on: September 07, 2010, 03:30:10 AM »
OK,  I have it inletted about as deep as I dare.  It is cut into the ramrod channel but still allows a 5/16 ramrod to enter freely. 

Can I knock the horns down a little?  I would love to be able to bend them downward without damaging it too much.  This guard came from Chambers and is really nice.  I don't want to damage it but it would fit better if the horns lay down some.
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Re: Trigger Guard Inlet
« Reply #15 on: September 07, 2010, 03:38:30 AM »
Is it brass or steel.  If brass its easy... If steel, be very careful and bend it hot... Ask me how may broken steel guards I own......no don't!! ;D
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Re: Trigger Guard Inlet
« Reply #16 on: September 07, 2010, 01:18:56 PM »
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Can I knock the horns down a little?  I would love to be able to bend them downward without damaging it too much.
All original English trigger guards of that style were curved on the bottom to conform to the curve of the stock in that area, none of them were flat. I always put some curve in  mine.
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Re: Trigger Guard Inlet
« Reply #17 on: September 08, 2010, 05:18:42 AM »
Thanks Mike,

Most of the contemporary fowlers I have seen and photographed were made by your hand.  The forearm has a very considerable curve in that area and a little curve in the tg would help immensely.  I will anneal this segment of the guard and try to curve it  using a wood form and dowel rod (hammer or vice too) 

I bent the front tennon a smidgeon and now the whole tg lines up much better. It wanted to cant to one side before.  The cast-off made into the stock caused some initial confusion in alignment before I remembered it was there. 
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Re: Trigger Guard Inlet
« Reply #18 on: September 08, 2010, 05:50:03 AM »
I tap mine into a swage block to form my radius. Your approach should work also.
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