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jwh1947

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A few notes from a 63-year-old competitive shooter
« on: October 21, 2010, 01:27:05 AM »
Guys, Yes, I joke a lot, jerk around and regularly make a fool of myself, but this time I wish just to share some honest tidbits that worked for me over the years and may help y'all.

Longrifle or modern gun, the principles never changed.  There are differences, but not in fundamentals.  Good shots are just like good blackjack players, good teachers, good cops, good judges, good docs...they follow a system, stick to it through good and bad, modify when something better comes along and, hopefully, apply common horse sense, which, as a former teacher I can tell you, is not all that common.

#1.  The Trigger Pull, most important.  Numero uno.  Slow, steady, with a follow though, I repeat, a follow through, like a golf swing.  No good without.  No jerk.  No quickie.  We all have a wobble area. Deal with it.  Accept the mathematical norm of your ability, and work to improve it until death.  

#2.  The Sight Picture.  Nearly equal to above, and for a few...moreso..., is sight picture.  FOCUS ON THE FRONT SIGHT.  That is where your eye is focusing.  Forget the target; it will be perfectly clear in the background.  Read my lips...eye on the front sight.  I don't care if you are 8 or 80, listen to me.

I digress.  Who is this clown talking, anyway?  OK, age 16 ( I lied my age) Camp Perry...a member of the Pennsylvania State High Power (.30 M1 Garands) Rifle Team.  A boy from Lebanon, I forget his name, and I placed 4th in the nation.  No big deal, but, dang, we sure felt good and found it easy to get a date for a few days.  CMP Master Instructor, Anniston, Alabama, 2008, for a refresher, Gary Anderson, personal instructor.  Plus I am an absolutely lovable guy.  Can prove that, too.   There's more, but. trust me, I can hit and teach the newcomers with enthusiasm and safety.  

Now, I am going to, for educational purposes only, explain my concepts and principles in operational terms, using modern arms as a better example, but, again, Kentuckies are no different, just less worthy of use as an example because of longer sight radius and the fact that the average Kentucky is capable of far more precision than the average black-powder enthusiast is capable of appreciating. Yes, gentlemen, it is the Indian, not the arrow that is usually at fault.

So here is the "proof."  Take any two modern pistols to the range and compare them for accuracy.  I can tell you by dryfiring both pistols only once each which one I'll be able to hit with.

How do I do this?  I share a secret.  I follow my own advice, I squeeze very, very carefully and WATCH THE FRONT SIGHT.  If it bounces uncontrollably, it is inherently an"inaccurate" gun for me.  If the sight holds true, I try again.  If it feels good, I guarantee you I'd stake my life on it prior to a grave situation.  That's how sure I am of this principle.  It has never failed.  

OK, specific example.  My favorite collecting pistol the Nazi P38---I have 40 in a bank safe deposit box--is an inherently INACCURATE pistol.  It was made for crass defense and shooting defenseless women and kids in the back of the neck in front of a death pit.  For this, it works fine, but for a match pistol, you'll never see one on the firing line

The .45 can be made accurate by trigger work.  A High Standard .22 is my all-around favorite accuracy gun, because I can control it and do trigger work.  Tyrone's Croatian 9mm is the best all around center-fire pistol I have ever held in my hands, accuracy to boot.  It just has that "east bloc" long-pull trigger like an AK47.  Deal with it.  It works great. I'm fetching one tomorrow, the powers willing.

Postovanje, Wayne


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Re: A few notes from a 63-year-old competitive shooter
« Reply #1 on: October 21, 2010, 01:51:47 AM »
I wholeheartedly agree with one and two .Third is breathing .
But the order of importance is absolutely correct .
I wish I had known all of this earlier when my sight was so much better.
But I am grateful that the younger shooters do not listen as well as they hear .
It keeps us all in the game   ;D What surprised me was that shooting is a tremendous mental challenge.
Great shooters are like great Yogis exhibiting tremendous self control and consistency.  
I have yet to attain yogi-hood  in this skill but I get a glimpse every once in a while.
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Re: A few notes from a 63-year-old competitive shooter
« Reply #2 on: October 21, 2010, 02:52:36 AM »
I agree wholeheartedly, and a sniper won't survive w/o your advice...that and reading the terrain and knowing bad ground.  

All you experts out there know that at 600 and 1000 yards we must shoot between our own heartbeats and a perfect rapid fire string at 200 and 300 is one where you get your heart right in sync with the cadence of the shots and reload (that usually takes 3 beats).  Ask any sniper or long range trained shooter.  That is the end result operational application of proper breathing, which my informed colleague above has remarked upon correctly.  Wayne
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Re: A few notes from a 63-year-old competitive shooter
« Reply #3 on: October 21, 2010, 03:32:46 AM »
I can't argue with anything you gents have said.

I came from a family of riflemen and I carried the torch pretty good. I went to state 4 times in high school on our little school's 4-H small bore rifle team in the late 60's.

The BEST thing that ever happened to improve my shooting was getting a flintlock (a nice one with a good lock) and learning to FOLLOW THROUGH. That flinter taught me better how to do that anything I'd ever shot before or since.

My center fire shooting has improved greatly since I started shooting my long rifle 25 years ago. Now if I could  figure out to get my eyes back, I'd be good for another 25.

Willie

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Re: A few notes from a 63-year-old competitive shooter
« Reply #4 on: October 21, 2010, 04:25:32 AM »
Just received this months "Rifleman" magazine.   Since we are talking about shooting, there is a great article in it on
Walter Walsh who is now 103 years old.    He used to stop by my booth at Friendship and chat.   I can recall in 1997
he stopped by the booth after just receiving the Handgunner of the Year Trophy.   My brother Dick, who was in the
Marines and did a stint in Korea, in returning to the states, was stationed at Quantico, Va. just before being discharged.
He met Walter there and shot on his smallbore team.   Walter is one fine gentleman and am so glad I got to know him
...........Don

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Re: A few notes from a 63-year-old competitive shooter
« Reply #5 on: October 21, 2010, 05:03:40 AM »
Just a short note from a 63 year old shooter. One thing that anyone can do to improve his shooting is to pic up and handle, aim and reaim his rifle every day. Even if you dont shoot it. Couple this with the other sound advise and you will improve.     Gary

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Re: A few notes from a 63-year-old competitive shooter
« Reply #6 on: October 21, 2010, 05:47:42 AM »
Learn to dry fire.  Set triggers are a wonderful thing.  Barrel time on a pellet rifle is nearly as slow as a 42" barrel flintlock.

"Whoever said 'Practice makes perfect' LIED.  PERFECT practice makes perfect."  Tom Gillman
« Last Edit: October 22, 2010, 12:40:19 AM by TComp »
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Re: A few notes from a 63-year-old competitive shooter
« Reply #7 on: October 21, 2010, 05:56:49 AM »
Oh, and if you want to win, keep your body in good shape.  I do know decent shooters who smoke and drink, but not to excess, and the best do not even think of either.  Anything that debilitates you or lessens your competitive edge would not make sense.  Plenty of push-ups and old fashioned stuff for me, and walking.

To elaborate on that point of handling a gun, we used to take our M1's on any day we did not shoot and hold them at offhand position with our rear arm on the wrist only.  We wound play a game to see who was strongest and go until our arm burned.  In order not to end up at the end of the season looking like Barney Google on one side and the 98 lb. wus on the other, we did both sides.  This works.  Also, ball up just one piece of newspaper using one hand only and see how your forearm feels.  Upper body strength good!  Also helps a small torso survive Saturday nights downtown, too.  And learn not say "supersize me."

A 63-year-old man without health issues should be able to still climb the rope to the top of the gym, run a 440 in decent time, and run a one-man escort service.  You should be able to do all the things that you did in gym class or you are showing degeneration.  Did not the gym teacher tell you that these were all healthy things and "lifelong skills and habits" that they were developing in us?  All these things help keep one in shape and be a good shooter.  
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Re: A few notes from a 63-year-old competitive shooter
« Reply #8 on: October 21, 2010, 08:41:31 AM »
Some great advise. Boy to be 63 again, but then I'd still be working for a living. I think I'll stay where I am.   Al

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Re: A few notes from a 63-year-old competitive shooter
« Reply #9 on: October 21, 2010, 01:56:06 PM »
Is everybody on this site 63+
$#@*......I feel that fel into a secret society club ;D
Happy days!
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Re: A few notes from a 63-year-old competitive shooter
« Reply #10 on: October 21, 2010, 02:46:45 PM »
I guess I'm a youngster here. I'm only 61 but I agree with the above. You can practice every day and not hit anything without following the basics of shooting:
BRASS: breath, relax, aim, slack, squeeze. I learned this many years ago. Actually, I had it pounded in my head my a skin headed S.O.B. with a campaign hat on down Camp Pendelton way. I didn't like him but he made me a good shooter.

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Re: A few notes from a 63-year-old competitive shooter
« Reply #11 on: October 21, 2010, 03:59:09 PM »
For most people [including me] the above advice is great [I shot on a college small bore rifle team and fired expert with several weapons in the US Army; I can still shoot the eye out of a squirrel with open-sighted rifles at nearing 66 yrs].  But then there was my father...life-long hunter, decorated WWII Marine pilot, and 25 -year FBI Agent [1950-75], he was an "instinct shooter".  He taught me to shoot, but he did not shoot that way. 

Dad point-shot.  He was unerring in hitting the target--now, I won't say he could beat out the top target guys or have the best groups at 100 yds; but, he never missed a game shot and was plenty fast & deadly with his service revolver.  He could hit what he needed to when it counted and he did not aim, control breath, etc. like we are taught.  He point-shot.  I witnessed it all of my life with him, and unfortunately he is long gone.  He was an amazing shot and you likely would not believe some of his feats if I described them.

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Re: A few notes from a 63-year-old competitive shooter
« Reply #12 on: October 21, 2010, 04:53:04 PM »
46here,and still learnig. Bright Eyes is 42(at least until sunday ;D)

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Re: A few notes from a 63-year-old competitive shooter
« Reply #13 on: October 21, 2010, 08:43:38 PM »
Some great advise. Boy to be 63 again, but then I'd still be working for a living. I think I'll stay where I am.   Al
Oh, to be 78 again! ;D ::)  Odd feeling to go to a shoot and near always be the oldest 'heevahava' there... :D

Of course, then there's ol Ollie (he's only 97)

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Re: A few notes from a 63-year-old competitive shooter
« Reply #14 on: October 22, 2010, 12:42:49 AM »
Is everybody on this site 63+
$#@*......I feel that fel into a secret society club ;D
Happy days!
Old Ford

Not for 2 more weeks!  By the way, cataract surgery 2 years ago kept me from selling my "precision paper punchers" and other fun toys.  If you are having vision problems, see an opthamologist NOT an optometrist.
TC
« Last Edit: October 22, 2010, 12:43:40 AM by TComp »
Nothing is hard if you have the right equipment and know how to use it.  OR have friends who have both.

http://texasyouthhunting.com/