Didnt mean to start a throw down heres gents, the repiar that I need to make is a couple small dinkers around a toe plate inlet, no structual support needed, tried the oil base leather dye and got it close, the stock is a TC that I stripped down to bare wood for a refinish, had a hole drilled for one of those tc brass sling studs, made a brass toe plate to cover it so it would look better than filling the hole and having a very distinct plug in the finished product, thanks for all the advise guys, will experiment a bit more with the other processes, back to getting this one done and working on the Maple chunk for a full stock Ive been playing with for over a year now, Ive gleaned alot of info from you guys with the years of eperience and apprciate it very much, thanks again for sharing the secrets!