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Offline flehto

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Re: RCA # 63 - A. Verner
« Reply #25 on: June 25, 2011, 03:11:37 PM »
Verner's LR and now your splendid rendition truly are 2 "works of art" of the Bucks County area. Noticed that you incorporated a little arc to the comb which adds a little more Bucks County "flavor". Your entry pipe probably wasn't a challenge to you, but to many of us, it would have been nearly impossible . Surely do appreciate your photos and advice....they've helped me out a few times. All in all. none better....Fred
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Re: RCA # 63 - A. Verner
« Reply #26 on: June 25, 2011, 04:54:14 PM »
Taylor  very nice, as usual.  Now make sure it stays in your gun rack and you don't let someone talk you outta this one LOL.  I have a question on the muzzle cap.  Is this pinned through a barrel lug like tenon and then peened / filed for the finish effect? 

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Re: RCA # 63 - A. Verner
« Reply #27 on: June 25, 2011, 05:21:58 PM »
Taylor , The double incised lower buttstock molding looks really well done. Would you mind sharing your method for accomplishing this detail ?

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Re: RCA # 63 - A. Verner
« Reply #28 on: June 25, 2011, 06:10:46 PM »
Here's some pics of incised carving being done on two different rifles:  a Rupp and a Kuntz.  I use a very small 60 degree parting tool I got from Brownell's.  They are excellent steel and take an incredible edge.  It's that polished fine edge that makes or breaks the carving, I think.  the handles on these tools are about three inches long and are elliptical in section.  This provides super control.  Also, what you don't see in the pictures, and I hold the chisel in my left hand, is my right hand's thumb pressing against the thumb of my left, acting as a brake.  This technique is also used in engraving with push engravers.  So rather than using the arm's strength to propel the chisel, it is short action within the gripping hand that drives it, just inching it along under perfect control.  Naturally, the first step to a successful design is the design itself, and this is penciled onto the scraped surface of the stock.  Don't leave anything to chance - make the drawing right before you start.  When I come to a curve, I roll the chiseltoward the outside, just like a graver, to create an accented line.  The 60 degree tool cuts nice and deep right off the get-go, which gives a sharp profound cut.

I haven't tried stabbing-in incised carving yet - so much to look forward to!

The butt stock molding...these two lines are parallel and in this case 1/18" apart.  that's not a typo - 1/18".  But they start aboout 3/8" from the bottom of the butt stock and get closer as we get to the spur of the trigger guard.  Having drawn in the first line - the one closest to the edge - I cut it with the parting chisel.  It's difficult to cut a long line without wiggling a little, so I straighten it out as best as I can with a short section of triangular file ground safe on one side.  I just take the humps out by flipping the file so the low parts of the wiggles get straightened out.  It's easier to do than to describe.  Then I used a 60 degree Dem Bart chequering cutter to cut the parallel line.  I ran it over the butt plate to mark it, and then cut the nicks in the brass with a file.  As I approached the spur of the trigger guard, I stopped and finished those lines as they terminate in that sexy little design under the wrist, with the parting tool.

The butt stock is almost perfectly flat along it's comb, until I get to the screw the secures the return of the butt plate.  Here, I was over enthusiastic with a sharp file, and dressed off more of the brass than I wanted too.  And I didn't notice it until I viewed my own pictures.  Funny how that happens. The original Verner rifle is a little swamped along the comb which accentuates the flat comb.  Some of this is caused I think by the butt plate return sitting a little proud of the wood, but it is definitely not rounded off at the heel like mine is.  Sucks to be a mere mortal!!

I really appreciate all your kind words.





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Re: RCA # 63 - A. Verner
« Reply #29 on: June 25, 2011, 06:55:05 PM »
Rolf, the trigger guard is TG-K-3-B from Track of the Wolf.  It is the same guard I used to create the guard for my up-coming Wm. Antes swivel breech project, also a Buck's Co, rifle.  Thankfully, there's lots of brass to file there, so lots of room for sculpting.

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Re: RCA # 63 - A. Verner
« Reply #30 on: June 25, 2011, 07:08:50 PM »
I really have come to prefer incise carving, and this example is a wonder. Inspiring.

You might consider a tutorial in photography as well! Wonderful photos.
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Re: RCA # 63 - A. Verner
« Reply #31 on: June 25, 2011, 07:28:57 PM »
Kermit, I took a page out of Bill Shipman's book, and took the pictures outside in subdued light.  It was pouring rain, so I used the car port...you can see the grafiti left by my grandkids and their sidewalk chalk!  The background is a "camel" coloured Hudson's Bay blanket to reduce shadow and give a soft background.  Better pictures would result from having the rifle held away from the blanket, eliminating all shadows.  And what would we do without the instant gratification of digital cameras!?
The nose piece is secured to the wood by two brass rivets coming through from the angle flats inside the barrel channel as in Tom Curran's excellent tutorial on nose caps.
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Re: RCA # 63 - A. Verner
« Reply #32 on: June 25, 2011, 09:54:57 PM »
Taylor,
Aside from the obvious everything, I really like the way/amount you softened the corners of the barrel flats -- that looks great, especially with the nice browning job (and I don't even usually like brown).

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« Reply #33 on: June 25, 2011, 11:55:33 PM »
Well Taylor, you made  me break that rule again.
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Re: RCA # 63 - A. Verner
« Reply #34 on: June 26, 2011, 12:31:10 AM »
Thanks for the great feedback.

It works!!

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Re: RCA # 63 - A. Verner
« Reply #35 on: June 26, 2011, 12:40:12 AM »
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« Reply #36 on: June 26, 2011, 01:41:02 AM »
 Simply beautiful and outstanding work!  Still one of my favorites. Is that lock I see a lg. Siler with the plate and cock reshaped?

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« Reply #37 on: June 26, 2011, 02:15:57 AM »
Good question.  The lock started out life as a percussion Lg Siler from about 1982.  I bought a pan, cock, and frizzen spring from TOW and shaped them as best I could to resemble the lock in the photograph in RCA.  I filed the plate's tail way down and filled the sear spring hole to create a blind hole.  I'm sure the original's is behind the cock, but perhaps it is blind too.  My engraving is a little rough, but Verner's wasn't as good as a lot of the contemporary makers who post here.  The guts are lg Siler and the tumbler is an old one...note the throw in one of the first pictures I presented at full bent...nothing like one of Jim's new tumbler's.  I took this picture quite a few years ago, even before I had the barrel.  This project has been on my mind for a long time.

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Re: RCA # 63 - A. Verner
« Reply #38 on: June 26, 2011, 02:42:07 AM »
Verner's guns are at the very top of my list of favorites.  They are intimidating guns to replicate and you've done a superlative job.

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Re: RCA # 63 - A. Verner
« Reply #39 on: June 26, 2011, 03:05:15 PM »
Taylor, thank you for the info on your incised carving technique.  It was most helpful.

Now that we know she smokes, let us know how she groups!

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Re: RCA # 63 - A. Verner
« Reply #40 on: June 26, 2011, 03:49:36 PM »
Mr. Sapergia. Very inspiring!! I can not imagine attempting just one Verner and you have surpassed him with three. Your pride and satisfaction are well disserved. The word "talent" is over used, but it this case if fits nicely. Thank you for showing. I trust it shoots as well.  Mike S. New

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« Reply #41 on: June 26, 2011, 04:02:19 PM »
Taylor,
        Thanks for sharing your skills and exceptionally fine work.  This topic has been a great learning experience.  Wonderful masterpiece.   Congrats,   Mike T
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« Reply #42 on: June 26, 2011, 05:48:15 PM »
Taylor you are one of the best.

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Re: RCA # 63 - A. Verner
« Reply #43 on: June 26, 2011, 07:27:48 PM »
Taylor you are one of the best.

Dan

No doubt there, Dan.

This gun is built by a man way up in British Columbia, far, far from the heart of longrifle country. He's learned to work from photographs, with few chances to study longrifles in person. My hat's off to you, Taylor.

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Re: RCA # 63 - A. Verner
« Reply #44 on: June 26, 2011, 09:06:47 PM »
Taylor,
A comparison of the photos in RCA I and your work of art shows just how superlative and careful a job you have done! Thanks for your addition to the great body of exceptional contemporary rifles. My hat is off to you. Your time was well spent. Take a breather and then I expect you will forge ahead on the next fine example of your passion for the "art of the smoke pole".

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« Reply #45 on: June 26, 2011, 11:08:55 PM »
What surprised me, was the "Gun Smilk' engraved on the patch box cover  - that's what it looks like to me, - then Taylor showed me a picture of the original. HA!  Lovely!

Shoots OK too, holds beautifully, even though 'light' that 48" barrel hangs almost perfectly - but it needs more powder. ;D

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Re: RCA # 63 - A. Verner
« Reply #46 on: June 27, 2011, 12:04:36 AM »
Daryl, that might also be read as  'Guns Milk'.

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« Reply #47 on: June 27, 2011, 01:27:47 AM »
Hmmm - whatever it is, it's virtually idencial to the original. The attention to detail on this rifle is amazing.  Things I didn't even see in the original, but had to back-check for, are emulated in the new one.
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Re: RCA # 63 - A. Verner
« Reply #48 on: June 27, 2011, 03:31:56 AM »
Taylor, when I saw the first picture of the rifle my immediate thought was
"Oh God yes" the more I see the better I like it!
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« Reply #49 on: June 27, 2011, 03:12:12 PM »
Taylor,
  Absolutely Beautiful…more like stunning, such detail. Whatever the building time frame it was well worth it.

 Tim C.    
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