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Re: my wheelock and me
« Reply #75 on: August 10, 2011, 11:58:16 PM »
 Thanks
I think I got it worked out but will be glad to hear his answer I got mine to work with the pan closed but I had to make a new tumbler so that it would turn 3/4. That's no doubt why the early wheelocks fired with the pan open they had to work this same problem out too.
 My problem is a thick enough piece of spring I tried car spring but apparently  I don't know how to temper different alloyed spring.

raszpla

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« Reply #76 on: August 11, 2011, 12:25:47 AM »
foundation on which you are encouraged, while work on the mechanism of wheellock is::
1.) ironwork
2.) blacksmith
3.)mechanics



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Re: my wheelock and me
« Reply #77 on: August 11, 2011, 02:33:02 AM »
heh heh
It should perhaps be signed, Tiopardean, not Sapergia, but that's another story.



Beautiful wrok Daryl.  I like the dark wood and the inlays.  Very well done.
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« Reply #78 on: August 11, 2011, 02:33:54 AM »
Absolutely amazing work there Razspla.  I don't think there is any end to your talent.  How long did it take you to build each gun?
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raszpla

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« Reply #79 on: August 11, 2011, 07:49:37 AM »
between 3 to 10 weeks

Daryl

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« Reply #80 on: August 11, 2011, 04:28:29 PM »
Glenn - the stock on Taylor's Dag get's it's colour honestly as it is Ebony. Somewhat of a challenge to work with. 

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Re: my wheelock and me
« Reply #81 on: August 13, 2011, 11:38:46 PM »
Very handsome wheelies, Gentlemen.  My hat's off to you.  Cheers, Bookie
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raszpla

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« Reply #83 on: August 14, 2011, 10:59:32 PM »
a blue print with dimensions
would be 0f great help
thank you
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Re: my wheelock and me
« Reply #84 on: August 14, 2011, 11:47:46 PM »
Raszpla,
Wonderful work!!Thank you for posting the pictures. There is a lot we can learn from you. I hope you will take pictures of the rest of the building.

Best regards

Rolf

raszpla

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« Reply #85 on: August 14, 2011, 11:56:41 PM »
Plans are third-rate importance!

is a basic skill:
1.) Get the dimensions of relations with the proportion. (you know the radius of the circle (r)-already know the other dimensions!)
2.)necessarily need to practice, hone lock rolled connections - riveted (load in the mechanism of reaching more than 100 Kg of force)
3.) raise their skills hardening steel

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Re: my wheelock and me
« Reply #86 on: August 15, 2011, 03:57:18 AM »
Hi Razpla!  I've enjoyed this thread.  What steel have you used to make the main spring?  Cheers, Bookie
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raszpla

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« Reply #87 on: August 15, 2011, 07:46:49 AM »
performed with springs springs for trucks


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Re: my wheelock and me
« Reply #88 on: August 16, 2011, 12:53:09 AM »
performed with springs springs for trucks



Razspla ... What make and model of vehicle are you using the springs from?

The reason I ask is because in the US different manufacturers use different alloys in their metals for just about every part of the vehicle, to include springs.  It doesn't matter if the vehicle is US made or not; just about every vehicle sold in the US must conform to certain US safety standards and this causes a lot of alloys to be used to make parts.  These same parts made for vehicles sold outside the US may be made with different metals.

If you can possibly give us the make and model of the vehicles the springs came off of we would greatly appreciate it.

THANKS !!!   ;D
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« Reply #89 on: August 16, 2011, 04:08:55 AM »
Glen,

IIRC post WWII 5160 has been the predominant steel for both leaf and coil (But not in the UK FWIW), and it is like 1060. The knifesmithing forums discuss this regularly, (Just like the Golden Mean here!).

"5160 A steel popular with forgers, it is extremely popular now and a very high-end steel. It is essentially a simple spring steel with chromium added for hardenability. It has good edge holding, but is known especially for its outstanding toughness (like L-6). Often used for swords (hardened in the low 50s Rc) because of its toughness, and is also used for hard use knives (hardened up near the 60s Rc)."

Heat treating 5160 and others.

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Re: my wheelock and me
« Reply #90 on: August 16, 2011, 04:57:30 AM »
Glen,

IIRC post WWII 5160 has been the predominant steel for both leaf and coil (But not in the UK FWIW), and it is like 1060. The knifesmithing forums discuss this regularly, (Just like the Golden Mean here!).

"5160 A steel popular with forgers, it is extremely popular now and a very high-end steel. It is essentially a simple spring steel with chromium added for hardenability. It has good edge holding, but is known especially for its outstanding toughness (like L-6). Often used for swords (hardened in the low 50s Rc) because of its toughness, and is also used for hard use knives (hardened up near the 60s Rc)."

Heat treating 5160 and others.

Best regards,
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Blunderbuss and I were discussing today what steel Razspla uses, or rather, what vehicles he pulls his springs from if he's using leaf springs.  Euro-spec vehicles are often surprising when it comes to materials.
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raszpla

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raszpla

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« Reply #92 on: August 16, 2011, 08:54:35 PM »
Gatunek steli sprężynowej ma drugorzędne znaczenie !Operujcie przekrojem sprężyny.

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« Reply #93 on: August 17, 2011, 09:36:22 AM »
That translates to:

"Grade spring steel is of secondary importance! Operate on a section of the spring."

Since I can't see any pictures, I can't infer what the second sentence means.

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« Reply #94 on: August 17, 2011, 06:53:29 PM »
Much research accomplished today:

In Europe, EN-45 is more commonly used in springs.
EN45 is a silicon manganese spring steel suitable for oil hardening and tempering. Similar to American 9260.
http://www.westyorkssteel.com/spring_steel.html

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raszpla

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raszpla

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« Reply #96 on: August 17, 2011, 10:05:57 PM »
as I finish this , shows the basic characteristics of steel grades.

Daryl

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« Reply #97 on: August 17, 2011, 11:13:16 PM »
Great diagram!


blunderbuss

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« Reply #98 on: August 17, 2011, 11:16:50 PM »
 I'm writing as fast as I can

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Re: my wheelock and me
« Reply #99 on: August 18, 2011, 12:46:51 AM »
Much research accomplished today:

In Europe, EN-45 is more commonly used in springs.
EN45 is a silicon manganese spring steel suitable for oil hardening and tempering. Similar to American 9260.
http://www.westyorkssteel.com/spring_steel.html

Best regards,
Albert “The Afghan” Rasch
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Thanks Albert ... I think that's what we were looking for.
Many of them cried; "Me no Alamo - Me no Goliad", and for most of them these were the last words they spoke.