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Daryl

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Re: my wheelock and me
« Reply #25 on: August 04, 2011, 01:03:43 AM »
Is the ignition of your lock faster if the pan cover isn't used? The wheellock Taylor build is indistinguishable from a percussion load in total ignition time.  We've not fired it with the pan closed, as least when I shot it, the cover was left in the open postion.
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blunderbuss

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Re: my wheelock and me
« Reply #26 on: August 04, 2011, 01:16:29 AM »
mine is , if the pan is closed the wheel begans to spin while the pan is opening and the priming ignites on the later part of the wheel if the pan is open and the pyrite is touching the wheel it'll ignite on the fore part of the wheel

Daryl

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Re: my wheelock and me
« Reply #27 on: August 04, 2011, 02:06:18 AM »
That makes sense.

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Re: my wheelock and me
« Reply #28 on: August 04, 2011, 02:42:32 AM »
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raszpla

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Re: my wheelock and me
« Reply #29 on: August 04, 2011, 07:31:55 AM »
Is the ignition of your lock faster if the pan cover isn't used? The wheellock Taylor build is indistinguishable from a percussion load in total ignition time.  We've not fired it with the pan closed, as least when I shot it, the cover was left in the open postion.


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I am in favor of closing the lid, Imagine that you go on horseback , you run or hunt, Open the lid is a mistake!
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Re: my wheelock and me
« Reply #30 on: August 04, 2011, 10:07:57 AM »
Raszpla,

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blunderbuss

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Re: my wheelock and me
« Reply #31 on: August 04, 2011, 05:16:36 PM »

Raszpla
Your correct if riding horse back or running. I think Daryl meant only if you open the pan is it faster.
 Didn't some of the early wheelocks have a pan like a matchlock that had to be opened by hand? Early in the development of wheelocks?

Dennis

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Re: my wheelock and me
« Reply #32 on: August 04, 2011, 06:58:58 PM »
Hi Dennis,
Yes.  The earliest wheellocks known had a manual pan cover like a matchlock.  Next they installed a bar or stud that fit into a slot in the wheel that knocked the pan open when the wheel spun.  That was very weak and makers eventually designed a sliding pan cover that was activated by the tumbler.  Many later wheellocks had a push button pan cover.  The shooter pushed the button to open the pan before shooting.  You, Raszpla, Dale Shinn, and only a few other modern makers have built wheellocks of designs different from the Dutch or German design made popular by Lauber's book on building a wheellock.  I believe all of the commercially made wheellocks today are of that design and it is the only design with which most folks today are familiar.  It is a shame because there was a tremendous and rich diversity of wheellocks.  The Lauber lock (I call it that for convenience) seemed to be used mostly on utilitarian and military guns.  It is by no means the most sophisticated design and was probably merely adequate when compared to some of its other comtemporary designs.  Because it was used on many military pistols used primarily by cavalry in the early 17th century, it was probably shot with the pan closed.  That would certainly be an advantage on horseback.  However, I'll bet that many wheellock shooters when desiring the highest accuracy and reliability from their guns, opened the pan before shooting.

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raszpla

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Re: my wheelock and me
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blunderbuss

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Re: my wheelock and me
« Reply #34 on: August 04, 2011, 07:28:49 PM »
 I looked at alot of pictures before making my wheelocks but had little opportunity to examine originals and no one I knew had ever made one so I had no one to explain the workings .That's why I say I ended up with alot of extra parts ,those were the ones I made that didn't work so I had to start over and lacking a lathe,or milling machine was quite a project. The first one fired but not with the pan closed so I had to go back to the drawing board and re design it so the wheel turned more, at least 3/4  and realized the spark was on the latter part of the wheel with the pan closed.  
I noticed matchlocks improved some too as I saw one that would automatically open the pan an instant before fireing

Dennis

raszpla

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Re: my wheelock and me
« Reply #35 on: August 04, 2011, 07:42:14 PM »
it is better when the lid is closed, but you have to have a good lock!common mistake is weak main springs!
in the first half of the sixteenth-century wheellock mechanisms have automatic installment acetabular. another issue is the closing of the cover pan.

raszpla

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Re: my wheelock and me
« Reply #36 on: August 04, 2011, 07:54:59 PM »
note how strong is the spring home!


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blunderbuss

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Re: my wheelock and me
« Reply #37 on: August 04, 2011, 08:02:54 PM »
 I learned about strong main springs and tried making some from auto springs which didn't work I can't fine any one around here that makes good flat springs. Dixie Gun works sells good spring but it's not thick enough for a wheelock
 Dennis

raszpla

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Re: my wheelock and me
« Reply #38 on: August 04, 2011, 09:50:31 PM »
I use springs for trucks.you need to learn and understand the process of hardening and tempering steel.you have to understand the mechanics of springs and other issues geometric-mechanical assemblies and other components.This is easy but until now, when you understand how specific construction wheellock to operates. Next week I begin to build wheellock, I'll show some details.

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blunderbuss

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Re: my wheelock and me
« Reply #40 on: August 04, 2011, 10:02:04 PM »
 




I started this one from a kit but have had to remake almost every part including the plate. I'll be looking forward for some instruction
 Thanks
Dennis 

There is a dragon in graved on the wheel cover with a hole where his eye should be I will inlay a ruby on the wheel so when the weapon is spanned you can see the eye and know it's ready to go.
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raszpla

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Re: my wheelock and me
« Reply #41 on: August 04, 2011, 10:06:19 PM »
I also am continuously learning every day, discovering new ones!

raszpla

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Re: my wheelock and me
« Reply #42 on: August 04, 2011, 10:39:03 PM »
how many cells does your chain?

blunderbuss

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Re: my wheelock and me
« Reply #43 on: August 04, 2011, 11:13:45 PM »
The one hooked to the tumbler, a middle one, and one hooked to the spring. so
three links

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Re: my wheelock and me
« Reply #44 on: August 05, 2011, 07:31:30 AM »
Blunderbuss and Raszpla,

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raszpla

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Re: my wheelock and me
« Reply #45 on: August 05, 2011, 07:32:33 AM »
wheellock put this on the shelf. you prepare  the steel, in the coming week we will build a shared lock. OK? the picture is the object of work


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Daryl

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Re: my wheelock and me
« Reply #46 on: August 05, 2011, 05:53:00 PM »
This is a LOT smaller lock, but how do the parts here compare?
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raszpla

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Re: my wheelock and me
« Reply #47 on: August 06, 2011, 10:41:07 PM »
I do not understand the questions. Formulate your question differently

Daryl

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Re: my wheelock and me
« Reply #48 on: August 07, 2011, 12:01:42 AM »
Are the internal parts the same or similar, lock to lock - or are they built quite differently area to area- time period to time period?

blunderbuss

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Re: my wheelock and me
« Reply #49 on: August 07, 2011, 12:13:28 AM »
raszpla
 I am preparing the steel how large of a piece of steel do I need for a lock plate?
Dennis