Author Topic: Reaves Goehring (Read 11118 times)

draken · « **on:** July 30, 2011, 08:09:44 PM »

I see the name Reaves Goehring and the quality of his castings praised from time to time on this forum. I'd definitely like to see what he has to offer, but he apparently doesn't have a website.

Dphariss · « **Reply #1 on:** July 30, 2011, 09:10:38 PM »

I think a search of this site will turn up his phone number at least.
Found it in fact

Reaves Goehring
Hempfield Manor Farm
4436 Marietta Rd
Columbia, Pa. 17512

717-684-2022
Dan

A.Merrill · « **Reply #2 on:** July 30, 2011, 09:29:14 PM »

   He don't have a website. But you can't go wrong buying from him. Most of his BP & TG are cast from originals and cast using good soft brass. The last BP I got from him you could still see the original engraving in it. I was never the type to buy something I could not see first but I'm glad I did.
   He has been at it for sometime and he will know what you need or he can recommend something that will work. I talked to him on Saturday, I had it on Monday. A great guy to talk to.
   Give him a call, he will mail you a list of what he has. Reaves Goehring 717-684-2022 Good Luck AL

JDK · « **Reply #3 on:** July 30, 2011, 09:35:15 PM »

If you can find your way down to the Gunmakers' Fair in Kepton, PA this weekend he is there with all of his stuff layed out. Saw him yesterday. Great show. J.D.K.

Dave B · « **Reply #4 on:** July 31, 2011, 03:18:31 AM »

Dick you have a PM. You really should go and see what he has to offer. Make sure to take lots of bucks to bring lots home!
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v648/DaveB44/DSCN0004.jpg

I this is a gang mold I bought as sand cast from Reves. I just cleaned the halves up fit the hinges together, used a round ball as an alignment pin and put together the halves, drilled the pivot and viola a cool gang mold for my smoothy to be. This is a shot of a few of Reves trigger guards

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v648/DaveB44/Row1a.jpg

Rasch Chronicles · « **Reply #5 on:** July 31, 2011, 05:59:15 AM »

Let's see...

Barrel Makers - Done.
Black Powder Manufacturers and distributors - Done.

Lockmakers - Working on it.
Findings - Next!

Did you all know that Mr Dennis makes findings? I didn't, not until I saw a link to his castings and books did I find out, and I don't even think he has that link on his signature! Well, I'll just have to search diligently and try to find as many makers as possible!

Best Regards,
Albert “Afghanus” Rasch
The Rasch Outdoor Chronicles™
Repair and Clean your 10/22 Magazine!

Glenn · « **Reply #6 on:** August 01, 2011, 06:05:48 PM »

Quote from: Albert Rasch on July 31, 2011, 05:59:15 AM

Findings - Next!

Best Regards,
Albert “Afghanus” Rasch
The Rasch Outdoor Chronicles™
Repair and Clean your 10/22 Magazine!

If I may suggest, when you do the list for "findings" you include Thnuderbird Supply out in New Mexico. They are a major supplier for American Indian jewelry makers in the area and they also offer lots of tools and various other items for casting our type of metals.

Here is their link: www.thunderbirdsupply.com

Thanks again for all your contributions.

I wanted to edit/add this one also. I'm sure folks are familiar with them already;

www.crazycrow.com

Lots of good stuff.

Dphariss · « **Reply #7 on:** August 01, 2011, 06:57:07 PM »

There is a problem with using a casting direct from original rifle parts.
The old timers made mistakes too and it shows in the castings sometimes.
One I know of looks like the smith either had a bad casting, goofed on the carving behind the cheek and had to file it off or lacked enough wood and filed the buttplate to too flat a contour on the cheek piece side.
Sometimes shrinkage is allowed for and sometimes not. I would guess that most do, now, Goehring I am sure always has.
Some parts are cast from copies of original parts and this makes shrinkage even worse.
If the shrinkage is not properly allowed for the buttplate will be smaller in all respects. If the original rifle one is trying to copy has a 12" pull as some do and the buttstock is stretched to 13.5 and the buttplate is 4 3/4" rather than the 5" on the original was then it will be impossible to make the buttstock look close to that on the rifle the stocker is using as a guide for the project.
So "cast from original parts" can be a double edged sword.
For example, the "Hawken" buttplates, most of them anyway, are really just a caricature that is some moderns idea of a Hawken or cast off a buttplate that was a "goof" originally and are a pet peeve of mine.

Dan

Glenn · « **Reply #8 on:** August 01, 2011, 07:07:24 PM »

Dan I'm sure you're right but it appears most of these builders on here are skilled enough to work around all of that. I don't know that I am, but I get your point.

For some weapons there only seems to be 1 or 2 sources for one-off, very original castings. If some of the engraving transfers to the cast piece it would be easier for some of us developing our skills to re-trace / re-engrave the original patterns to make them more pronounced. At least this would be a good starting point.

I think I may be giving Mr. Goehring a shout fairly soon. It seems his castings may not only be authentic but also fairly soft and workable for beginners like myself.

rich pierce · « **Reply #9 on:** August 02, 2011, 01:22:36 AM »

Point well taken, whenever we take castings from an original there is the dreaded shrinkage, and if for some reason the first article is lost and a casting of a repro casting is made, it gets worse. Probably many assume the dimensions of the replica piece match the original.

With Reeve's brass it is possible to stretch a buttplate or guard at least 10% by peening, but that is a pain and thins the piece, so makes sense in only a few applications.

Brass castings are getting more expensive lately.

Dphariss · « **Reply #10 on:** August 02, 2011, 04:45:06 AM »

I posted these under "buttplate reshape"
Same basic casting from Goehring. One as cast one stretched.

It was just under 2" now its just under 2 1/4" and is just about 5" deep vs 4 3/4 as received.
Very nice ductile casting but make sure it gets annealed as soon as is seems to be getting a little hard. Beat on it when is work hardened and its gonna crack.

The photo don't show the reshape as it really is now its much better than it was for my project. I will be doing the other one soon.

This is the other side.

Dan

Glenn · « **Reply #11 on:** August 02, 2011, 04:53:54 AM »

Very interesting work. Being the greenhorn I am I couldn't tell much that one had been "stretched" as the hammer marks seem faint. I've seen some pieces "as cast" that showed the subtle marks that your stretched piece does. At the stage of the game I'm currently in I think I'd just use the piece "as cast", or rather try to get a larger piece and try to whittle (file) it down or whatever. I don't feel confident at this time that I have the hammer skills to stretch it out and reshape it as well as you did.

Thanks for posting the contrast and comparison. As always it increases my knowledge.

Dphariss · « **Reply #12 on:** August 02, 2011, 04:55:55 AM »

Quote from: Glenn on August 01, 2011, 07:07:24 PM

Dan I'm sure you're right but it appears most of these builders on here are skilled enough to work around all of that. I don't know that I am, but I get your point.

For some weapons there only seems to be 1 or 2 sources for one-off, very original castings. If some of the engraving transfers to the cast piece it would be easier for some of us developing our skills to re-trace / re-engrave the original patterns to make them more pronounced. At least this would be a good starting point.

I think I may be giving Mr. Goehring a shout fairly soon. It seems his castings may not only be authentic but also fairly soft and workable for beginners like myself.

If you need to reform something just do it.
I am almost completely self taught. When I started in Iowa as a teenager I didn't even know anyone who shot MLs much less made them.
I have a lock I made from The Rifle Shoppe castings that has very nice engraving cast in.
Sure it could stand to be recut but I think I will leave it as is.

It was not my intention to defame all castings from originals. But there are things that need to be known.
I would not worry about getting a shrunken casting from Goehring.
Compared to his stuff a lot of the stuff being sold is little better than scrap.

Dan

Glenn · « **Reply #13 on:** August 02, 2011, 04:56:57 AM »

And while I'm thinking about it ... if a piece is wax cast after using the mold from an original, is there less deviation from the original as opposed to a piece that is sand-cast? I've always had the impression that wax cast is a little more precise.

Sorry folks for the editing but that's what happens when you're my age and don't use your glasses ...

Glenn · « **Reply #14 on:** August 02, 2011, 04:59:46 AM »

WOW ... the Rifle Shoppe has some good castings. Never seen one up close like that but it looks like it could pass as original to me.

Rasch Chronicles · « **Reply #15 on:** August 02, 2011, 05:23:01 AM »

Glenn,

I guarantee that Dan worked that lock over but good...

Here is a great website on a casting build out.
Building a Manton V-Pan Lock

Best regards,
Albert “Yes, I am still in Afghanistan!” Rasch
The Rasch Outdoor Chronicles
Extreme Wild Boar Hunting, Chronicles’ Style!!!

Glenn · « **Reply #16 on:** August 02, 2011, 05:51:03 AM »

Thanks for the link. I'll read it well. Can't imagine right now how the nice looking brass pans are formed.

Edited again ... gotta get new reading glasses today !!! $:-\$

Dphariss · « **Reply #17 on:** August 02, 2011, 06:11:37 AM »

Quote from: Glenn on August 02, 2011, 04:56:57 AM

And while I'm thinking about it ... if a piece is wax cast after using the mold from an original, is there less deviation from the original as opposed to a piece that is sand-cast? I've always had the impression that wax cast is a little more precise.

Sorry folks for the editing but that's what happens when you're my age and don't use your glasses ...

They make a mould, they cast a part from a material that will GROW enough to remove the shrinkage after its set and removed from the mold. THIS is then used to make the mould for the parts.
At least in some cases I have been told.

Dan

Don Getz · « **Reply #18 on:** August 02, 2011, 03:56:36 PM »

In regard to Reaves castings, if you were at Dixon's, did you buy any parts? The prices have jumped considerably....a
buttplate that used to sell for $15 is now $35........price of brass has gone up......I guess it is just a sign of the times......
Don

Glenn · « **Reply #19 on:** August 02, 2011, 04:03:38 PM »

BUMMER ... I guess I need to start collecting scrap brass and start learning the casting process too. I'm a little leary of the dangers of it, but I'll call the folks at Thunderbird Supply and ask how they do things.

Dphariss · « **Reply #20 on:** August 02, 2011, 06:15:21 PM »

If you have a college or trade school that does casting this is an good place to possibly get some parts cast.

Dan

Glenn · « **Reply #21 on:** August 02, 2011, 07:25:14 PM »

Quote from: Dphariss on August 02, 2011, 06:15:21 PM

If you have a college or trade school that does casting this is an good place to possibly get some parts cast.

Dan

Nope. No such thing around here teaching casting. I'm going to have to go this one on my own.

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