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magyar

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renovation question for you professionals
« on: August 02, 2011, 10:45:10 PM »
I have a schimmel, poor boy, barn gun, whatever you want to call it. I think it was a build with spare parts available as the lock is a small Cochran that seems a bit out of place on it given its a .50 and a full-size gun.

This gun was my first flintlock and has been with me over 20 years. Bought it at E. Christopher Firearms in Miamitown, OH back in 1988. I am adding this in just in case someone might be out there would could have made it. No name on it anywhere.

I would now like to make it a bit nicer and to try and hone some skills on it rather than on an expensive kit. You can tell me if what I am getting myself into is not worth the trouble though.

I want to add a butt plate, side plate, patchbox and nose cap. None of which are on the gun now. i know this will lead to some filing/inletting of wood and I am prepared to strip it and restain the entire thing so no worries there.

Lastly I would consider changing out the small Cochran. I would prefer a larger siler or something to that affect but I am not sure if, given the already inletted portions and where the trigger is set, a new lock would be possible. Your thoughts? i truly have no idea about this part. I am asking for your experience to help me out. The lock i may have a pro do down the road.

Thanks for the help.

Bill

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Re: renovation question for you professionals
« Reply #1 on: August 02, 2011, 11:10:48 PM »
Probably easier to restock it.
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Re: renovation question for you professionals
« Reply #2 on: August 02, 2011, 11:29:05 PM »
Probably easier to restock it.

I agree, Or perhaps a less expensive kit.
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« Reply #3 on: August 03, 2011, 12:25:53 AM »
Probably easier to restock it.

I agree, Or perhaps a less expensive kit.

With all the parts you're adding a barrel and stock and you got a brand new rifle, and no major fit headaches.

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« Reply #4 on: August 03, 2011, 01:06:45 AM »
if you change anything you will have lost something that has been part of you for 2 decades are you sure you want to lose that?????????

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Re: renovation question for you professionals
« Reply #5 on: August 03, 2011, 01:19:08 AM »
Go to the Track of the Wolf catalog. They have full sized photos of the front and back of all of their locks. A tracing of the lockplate laid against the stock should tell you if lock replacement is feasible. Major points to look for are vent location in relation to the pan and sear location in relation to the trigger, although a trigger can be relocated or replaced easily enough if every thing else lines up.
First step is to have the tools to do the job. You don't need a lot, but they MUST be good.

Fit a sideplate first to get the feel of things.
Next inlet the lock plate, then the internals for the lock.
At this point you will have an upgraded shootable rifle. Shoot it some to determine if you want to go further. You could refinish at this point and be fine.

A nose cap is the next easiest job, but a rifle should have a buttplate before a nosecap.

If you decide to go further, the next logical step would be the buttplate, but be advised that your first buttplate installation is a real booger. The heel extension has to be absolutely perfectly in line with the comb and the plate must be perpendicular with the centerline. Any gaps or deviation from square is extremely obvious and looks terrible.
A patchbox would be last because the buttplate needs to be installed, but the patchbox pattern should probably be the simple two piece early style.

I understand that you are wanting this to be a learning experience, but if it were mine I would stop at the lock upgrade and refinishing. Possibly inlay a star in the cheek piece. You will have a good rifle at that point, and might could sell it in the future, but if you mess up a buttplate installation you will never be happy and it will be hard to get rid of later.

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Re: renovation question for you professionals
« Reply #6 on: August 03, 2011, 02:31:27 PM »
If you're changing out the lock, you may have trigger issues depending on the placement of the sear bar.

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« Reply #7 on: August 03, 2011, 06:01:59 PM »
I agree with Mr. Brooks. Its going to be tough to relocate all the key points.

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« Reply #8 on: August 03, 2011, 07:39:57 PM »
I'd hate to see you alter that nice barn gun! Please build a new one with all the features you want! You won't regret it, even though parts $$$ are getting rediculous.
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« Reply #9 on: August 03, 2011, 08:01:12 PM »
All good points to consider. i really appreciate the insight. A lot of sentimentality in this gun so its a hard decision to make. i think I will bring it up to Lexington, KY for the show and see if I can match up a lock first and foremost and then consider the other items. I may end up just getting a new inlet stock, buttplate and lock and use the other parts from it to make a nicer gun. I may keep this "barn gun" stock for building my son's first gun later down the road.

By the way, this stock is Ash and it has aged to a nice tone with some light greens in it. I love it. Do people often use ash? I have never seen it listed as an option on TOW or other sites.

thanks again,

Bill

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Re: renovation question for you professionals
« Reply #10 on: August 04, 2011, 12:40:03 AM »
Ash is sometimes used on contemporary iron mounted Southern rifles.  Few like any greenish tones, but it's all a matter of personal taste.  This site leans toward traditional.
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Re: renovation question for you professionals
« Reply #11 on: August 07, 2011, 06:11:53 PM »
 How about posting some photos so we can see exaxtly what you're talking about.
  Remember any gun's primary job is to go "boom" regardless of lock style.  If it is a relaible shooter, and the lock inlet is clean I would leave the lock alone.
  Being stocked in Ash makes me think you have a southern mountain style rifle.  Many a truly fine mountain rifle were made without buttplates.  Reasearch Gillespie Rifles.
  There is usually plenty you can do to enhance the looks of a rifle without being as invasive as changing the lock and adding a buttpate.
  If this gun was built by a beginner the stock may benifit with reshaping here and there to bring out the correct architechture.  Also it may benifit from reshaping the butt some such as adding a deeper cresent like a Gillespie.  You could add a pewter nose cap, incise some lines, add a "scale" butt plate and many other things some very simple that truly can enhance the rifle you have now without a radical rebuild.
 Again please post a pic so we can see what you have.