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Re: Flintlock Wall Guns
« Reply #25 on: August 20, 2011, 07:13:38 PM »
Blackheart Arms has a 4 bore for sale on the CLA site right now for $4900.  Only a couple pictures but they may have more on their site.  J.D.K.
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Re: Flintlock Wall Guns
« Reply #26 on: August 20, 2011, 07:18:56 PM »
Pardon me....Blackheart LONGarms.  And yes there is a couple more pictures on there.  Asking $4999.  http://www.blackhartlongarms.com/gallery/index.php?folder=/Wall_Gun/

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Re: Flintlock Wall Guns
« Reply #27 on: August 21, 2011, 02:28:52 AM »
I once came across a reference to wall guns on the internet that confirms what Smart Dog wrote. Washington ordered four wall guns from Rappahannock Forge. Two of them were deployed at Fort Washington on Manhattan island. It didn't say where the other two ended up.

I did a google searach on wall guns after a discussion with a colleague who has assembled and test fired two wall guns using the components from the Rifle Shoppe.

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Re: Flintlock Wall Guns
« Reply #28 on: August 21, 2011, 03:31:05 AM »
A while back, Stonewall Creek Outfitters [ before they were under the present ownership ] had wall gun barrels in stock . I believe they were around 5 ft long or so, and 4 bore. Price at the time was around 3 to   $ 400 ???  Anyway, there must be some around some where. With barrel in hand, you could build up a nise one for the price of a lock and plank.
I saw one once, with a swivel mounted on it mid barrel. I'd love to try one at long range sometime  :)

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Re: Flintlock Wall Guns
« Reply #29 on: August 21, 2011, 04:10:18 AM »
We had the chance to do a slow motion video of a wall gun owned by Jeff Shingler.  His gun was in MuzzleBlasts in 2008 I think.  It was the largest lock I have video taped at over 9 inches long.  We videoed the lock twice - using Null B and Goex Cannon grade for priming.


http://www.blackpowdermag.com/featured-articles/new-high-speed-video-from-friendship-09.php

One this web page, I think it is the 7th video.

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Re: Flintlock Wall Guns
« Reply #30 on: August 21, 2011, 01:15:06 PM »
I have built two of them.. I don't want to build another one. I thought that I would learn a bunch from the first build and the second would go much quicker, but I was mistaken.

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Re: Flintlock Wall Guns
« Reply #31 on: August 21, 2011, 08:07:53 PM »
There are at least two surviving wall rifles from Fredericksburg VA during the Rev War. They are both built in the style of an early longrifle complete with sliding wood box and show the hand of Frederick Kleet who was the supervisor there at the time. If you imagine the Kleet rifle in RCA 10 years earlier and on steroids you will have a good picture of them. The one I handled had FK as the inspector's mark. One is at Rock Island Arsenal in Ill. and the other is at West Point.

Rock Island also have one of the unrifled Brown Bess style wall guns from the F&I war period. It is a supersized Bess with a inch bore and, as I recall a 56" barrel. When I say it 30 years ago some well meaning armorer had spray painted the whole gun OD green! He though it would protect it.

After I left the CW shop in 1990 they had the RI rifle in for repair of a broken cock and made a repro of it. I've not seen it.

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Re: Flintlock Wall Guns
« Reply #32 on: August 21, 2011, 08:34:51 PM »
Rock Island also have one of the unrifled Brown Bess style wall guns from the F&I war period. It is a supersized Bess with a inch bore and, as I recall a 56" barrel. When I say it 30 years ago some well meaning armorer had spray painted the whole gun OD green! He though it would protect it.

You should keep that one in mind next time there is a restoration thread :).

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Re: Flintlock Wall Guns
« Reply #33 on: August 22, 2011, 05:59:43 AM »
Well, there sure seems to be a lot of interest in the subject!

I still have to try to call Mr Rayl and Mr Getz for an idea of how much a barrel would be. I checked with Charles Burton, but a 54 inch 4 bore is outside of his machines' capabilities. Though for you Chunk Gun afficionados, he has barrels up to 1.5 inches flat to flat.

Roy S, out of curiosity, what were some of the "issues" you experienced?

The other thing I am wondering is where to get a big enough hunk of wood!

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Re: Flintlock Wall Guns
« Reply #34 on: August 22, 2011, 01:08:16 PM »
Just the over all size of the projects.. I think there is a point when things become either too small or in this case just about too big to work on with average tools. Things like I had to use a forge to heat the the springs properly so that I could temper them. I still putt my barrels in by hand, so I had to use larger gouges and even made a big two handed scraper to remove the wood. It was like making precision wooden gutters. That last 1/16" was a pain lol. The physical weight of it too, just think how many times you remove a barrel during a build... I had to make my own 6' 1/2" ramrod drill.. That wasn't too big of deal except finding the steel rod to make it with, just thankful that I have a bit brace that will take up to 1/2" bits..

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Re: Flintlock Wall Guns
« Reply #35 on: August 22, 2011, 04:31:04 PM »
There is a wall gun on display at Colonial Michilimackinac (Mackinaw City, MI)  in the powder magazine display.  Looks like an oversized Bess.  Have photos of it somewhere, not exactly sure how "good" they are and you can only see one side of it. 

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Re: Flintlock Wall Guns
« Reply #36 on: August 24, 2011, 03:49:26 AM »
Albert,

  The wood is no problem.  I have a forest  a friend with a sawmill and kiln and you have plenty of help....

  You find a barrel,  I'll find the wood
Rich
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Re: Flintlock Wall Guns
« Reply #37 on: August 24, 2011, 05:54:36 AM »
okay here are a couple of pics of a Bess style wall gonne.  4 gauge rifled.  The owner is so large taht when he walked up to my camp to show it to me i had to stare at him/it for a while before i recognized what he was holding.  it weighs 38 pounds an i could not shoulder it.





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Re: Flintlock Wall Guns
« Reply #38 on: August 24, 2011, 03:36:33 PM »
That is a great looking "CANNON". I really want one, but I don't have that kind of cash on hand, Did I say I want one? :o

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Re: Flintlock Wall Guns
« Reply #39 on: August 24, 2011, 04:15:14 PM »
I want one just to go to the state offhand and say,

                    LET'S PARTY


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Re: Flintlock Wall Guns
« Reply #40 on: August 24, 2011, 05:49:56 PM »
You fellows know we will make it happen somehow!

Rich, good to know you have a supplier!

Oh so much to do and so far from home!

Thanks again, it's a great topic and lots of interesting ideas and historic examples! Thank you all!

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Re: Flintlock Wall Guns
« Reply #41 on: August 24, 2011, 07:20:05 PM »
Some where I have all the pics where I documented the first build for a magazine.. Still looking for the disc..

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Re: Flintlock Wall Guns
« Reply #42 on: August 25, 2011, 04:05:29 AM »
Nice Moose/bear/elk gun! That ought to stagger them.
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Re: Flintlock Wall Guns
« Reply #43 on: August 25, 2011, 06:14:11 AM »
While I could not shoulder it, he did have four sticks tied together to make a quadrapod to fire it from.  He let me shoot it twice.  It plows a nice groove in the turf when you don´t put enough powder behind that huge ball.
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Re: Flintlock Wall Guns
« Reply #44 on: August 25, 2011, 06:20:07 AM »
okay here are a couple of pics of a Bess style wall gonne.  4 gauge rifled.  The owner is so large taht when he walked up to my camp to show it to me i had to stare at him/it for a while before i recognized what he was holding.  it weighs 38 pounds an i could not shoulder it.





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That would be the one I built....JR is a big fellow!

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Re: Flintlock Wall Guns
« Reply #45 on: August 26, 2011, 03:49:35 AM »
smshea,
If I recall correctly, he could shoulder it.  Nice work, a joy to shoot.
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Re: Flintlock Wall Guns
« Reply #46 on: August 26, 2011, 04:12:41 AM »
At that weight, the recoil should be tolerable - almost.
Don't see what a fella couldn't shoot it from the shoulder, might want to push some weights first- about 6 months before, but still doable.

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Re: Flintlock Wall Guns
« Reply #47 on: August 26, 2011, 04:25:25 AM »
After viewing this thread I realized there was something in the back of my mind that I had seen in a movie regarding a wall gun.  I couldn't put the faint memory to realization until today when I was driving around and it finally dawned on me where I had seen one in Hollywood action.

In the latest version of "Last of the Mohicans", the scene where the British and French are battling for the fort, there is a real quick scene of a uniformed British gunner / sniper shoulder firing a wall gun over the top of the wall of the fort down on top of the French troops digging trenches and manning the French artillery.  This specifically occurs during the large scene with the British artillery officer directing cannon fire down on the French below.

The gunner runs up to the wall with what looks like an abnormally large Brown Bess, leans forward and over the top a little bit then fires.  The scene quickly cuts back to the artillery officer (if I recall properly) afterwards.

I'm sure this may be old business to some of Yall but for those that may have missed it I thought I'd take the time to point it out.  I find it interesting that history was researched and repeated that well by Hollywood.   ;D
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Re: Flintlock Wall Guns
« Reply #48 on: August 26, 2011, 05:25:09 AM »
JR is a friend of mine and a truly BIG fellow in Heart and stature! Shouldering and shooting that gun accurately for any average sized guy would be nearly impossible. Can you get it up and make it go off...... probably?? but not with any accuracy.  The ram rod weighs as much as some barrels. :o

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Re: Flintlock Wall Guns
« Reply #49 on: August 26, 2011, 06:26:27 AM »
Fellows,

I'm glad you all have taken such an interest in such an obscure arm! Now the question is who shall put one together next! LOL!

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