Author Topic: Fowling piece........ (Read 17146 times)

Macon Due · « **on:** September 15, 2011, 09:58:44 PM »

Where would be some good suggestions to purchase a fowling piece completed but in the white in 24-20ga.? Also what type......English,French....I would like this to be more of a 'wing shooter' than a ball shooting gun so would be looking for a 'light lively' feeling and good pointability but still a 39"-42" barrel ? Also...I am not rich......
Thank you Macon

Mike Gahagan · « **Reply #1 on:** September 15, 2011, 10:08:31 PM »

You might try Barbie at Jim Chambers Flintlocks.I think that they have some that are togrther in the white or you can try Mike Brooks.

Dr. Tim-Boone · « **Reply #2 on:** September 15, 2011, 11:46:18 PM »

Take a look at Mike Brooks Trade Gun Kit... light and lively!!

D. Taylor Sapergia · « **Reply #3 on:** September 16, 2011, 02:08:19 AM »

...and reasonably priced!!

James Rogers · « **Reply #4 on:** September 16, 2011, 04:04:34 AM »

The Chambers English fowling piece in 20 is a good one. It does have a low comb that may need a pad for some.

Mike Brooks' Birmingham fowling piece kit has similar dimensions of a Remington shotgun. Although it is designed to use the Colerain 44" octagon to round in either 20 or 16 , I would suggest the 16 for a lighter piece.

Macon Due · « **Reply #5 on:** September 16, 2011, 04:17:14 AM »

Thanks guys, I'm really hoping to find something in the $1,000.00 range though for an in the white but assembled kit gun. I'd really like a 28ga. unless it would be too heavy and clunky. Really do not want to have to add pads ect.either just to get a natural point shooter. Beleve it or not a thousand dollars is still a lot of money and I would think a person could get a decent fowler for that....
Thanks.......Macon

smylee grouch · « **Reply #6 on:** September 16, 2011, 04:29:44 AM »

Good luck on that. Maybe a used one. A good one will probably set you back more but quality always does. Quality always pays too. Smylee

Macon Due · « **Reply #7 on:** September 16, 2011, 04:41:40 AM »

I know Sir, in general you are correct but lots spent does not always ensure perfection either...belive me I know... I just hope to find a decent one [in the white or used] for around my price.
Macon

Feltwad · « **Reply #8 on:** September 16, 2011, 02:43:37 PM »

If you need a gun for wing shooting {here we call it game shooting},I have personally found that a bore size 12 or 16 is the best with a barrel length of 36 inches.The lock for quick ignition should have a roller frizzen and be tuned in, similar to a Manton lock.The load I use for a 12 bore is 2.3/4 drms of FFg powder to 1.1/8 oz of English size 5 shot, this load will take game such has grouse ,partridge, pheasant at 35 to 40 yards
Feltwad

D. Taylor Sapergia · « **Reply #9 on:** September 16, 2011, 07:53:49 PM »

Excellent advice, Feltwad.

T*O*F · « **Reply #10 on:** September 16, 2011, 10:50:08 PM »

Are you looking for a flint or percussion fowler?

Macon Due · « **Reply #11 on:** September 17, 2011, 01:31:02 AM »

I will be looking for a flint Sir.
Macon

smylee grouch · « **Reply #12 on:** September 17, 2011, 04:19:56 AM »

Macon, you might try Wayne Dunlap of Dunlap Woodcrafts. I think he sells a very nice flint English style fowler kit with the demintions close to those recomended by others here. It would be worth a try and I think he has a web site-Dunlap Woodcrafts or some such thing. Smylee

Kermit · « **Reply #13 on:** September 18, 2011, 09:04:41 PM »

Nice to see 'em referred to a "fowling pieces." The "fowler" is the fellow who pulls the trigger. I know, picky, picky.

Macon Due · « **Reply #14 on:** September 18, 2011, 09:22:26 PM »

Nothing wrong with 'picky' Kermit. Also.....I will be looking for a left handed one,if that makes a difference with suggestions....?
Kermit.......are you by any chance the 'Kermit' from the Rimfire Benchrest world?
Macon

Kermit · « **Reply #15 on:** September 19, 2011, 11:25:16 PM »

Not the same Kermit, but I've been asked before. I think that one's from PA? I'm from the Upper Left Corner.

Macon Due · « **Reply #16 on:** September 20, 2011, 01:49:13 AM »

Thank you Sir.
Macon

rsells · « **Reply #17 on:** October 07, 2011, 05:14:49 AM »

Tip Curtis (615-654-4445 Frontier Gun Shop) usually has some on hand for around a $1,000 in the white if his prices haven't gone up.
Roger Sells

Mike R · « **Reply #18 on:** October 10, 2011, 03:40:25 PM »

Quote from: Kermit on September 18, 2011, 09:04:41 PM

Nice to see 'em referred to a "fowling pieces." The "fowler" is the fellow who pulls the trigger. I know, picky, picky.

I was taking part in a school day event at a local historic park Thursday when a comrade was talking abvout his "fowler"--he asked the crowd if they knew what a "fowler gun" was? Silence. He then asked if they knew what a fowl was. Someone ventured that it was a chicken. "That's right!" he said. And just audibly I asked him if he, then, had a "chicken gun?" But he ignored me.....

axelp · « **Reply #19 on:** October 10, 2011, 03:46:41 PM »

my smoothbore and all my rifles are "fouling" pieces... everytime I shoot em I gotta go and clean em up afterwards on account of all the fouling...

I guess that makes me a fouler?

K

Dphariss · « **Reply #20 on:** October 10, 2011, 05:29:40 PM »

Honestly if I were to make a wing shooting gun I would build it with a set of recessed breech Manton lock castings from TRS then build a recessed Nock breech for it. Have good springs, mainspring at least, made for the lock and maybe face the frizzen and see how it sparks.
While the Nock is not the fastest breech according to Larry Pletcher it IS the most consistent.
And consistency is key in wing shooting.

But the most consistent flintlock I have ever shot is my 16 bore rifle made as described here. And its not at all slow either. It has very strong springs and gives descent flint life and never needs knapping, when the flint stops sparking its invariably a waste of time to do other than change it out.

But you get what you pay for. But getting one for $1000? In the white or otherwise this is not likely. Building the lock from castings, making it right, then making a hooked, recessed Nock breech from bar stock? This is worth 700-800 on its own.

Dan

Feltwad · « **Reply #21 on:** October 10, 2011, 06:07:23 PM »

Enclosed is a image of Henry Nocks trade label showing his patented breech
Feltwad

Macon Due · « **Reply #22 on:** October 11, 2011, 03:02:57 AM »

Wow....Dan!........$700.00-$800.00 for a lock and breech........way out of my league [price wise] I'm afraid! If I can't find what I need/want for what I can spend then I reckon I'll so without.......won't be the first time.
Macon

Dphariss · « **Reply #23 on:** October 11, 2011, 07:53:50 AM »

Quote from: Macon Due on October 11, 2011, 03:02:57 AM

Wow....Dan!........$700.00-$800.00 for a lock and breech........way out of my league [price wise] I'm afraid! If I can't find what I need/want for what I can spend then I reckon I'll so without.......won't be the first time.
Macon

Yes I understand that but making a hooked Nock breech from a block of steel with the tang and a good fit to the hook is going to take some time. A GOOD lock is worth several hundred bucks as well. But people in the US will not pay even 250-300 for one. So there is a lock maker in the US that sells locks to Europe because people here want him to build a 250-300 lock for 125. The unfinished castings from the Rifle Shoppe run over 100 bucks with no screws.

Dan

Dan'l 1946 · « **Reply #24 on:** October 11, 2011, 06:21:13 PM »

Hi Dan. You're right for sure. I often think that anyone who thinks handmade muzzleloaders are too costly ought to try and whittle out a lock or two with simple tools or even a plain trigger and plate. Tends to give one perspective....

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