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Captain Maynard

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Re: Chestnut as Stock Wood
« Reply #25 on: September 06, 2013, 10:57:32 PM »
Number 8 on this link is a historical example of American Chestnut being used in a period musket that survived the test of time for over two centuries:

http://www.11thpa.org/neumann.html

"No. 8: French Aid Influence, c. 1777-1783
This arm’s three American brass barrel bands with their rear-side springs copied the iron bands on the newly arriving French aid muskets. A British Long Land Brown Bess 1756 pattern, in turn, provided the lock (marked, “EDGE 1756”), trigger guard, side plate, escutcheon and barrel, which was shortened from 46" to approximate the French length of 443⁄4". The colonists supplied a chestnut stock, a simplified butt plate resembling the English stepped design, and a hand-forged replacement cock still holding a crude locally knapped flint. As with many rebel muskets, no sling swivels were provided. Use as a hunting gun after the war is also apparent from the thinning of the bayonet stud to create a front sighting blade and a later dovetail near the breech to add a rear sight."

Again, the rebelling colonials were receiving French aid via shipping locks over here.  The colonists had to supply their own stocks and American Chestnut was 75% of the hardwood in the forests during that time. 

This is just a single example of many.  Chestnut was a righteous & plentiful stockworthy hardwood during the American Revolution...

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Re: Chestnut as Stock Wood
« Reply #26 on: September 06, 2013, 11:54:33 PM »
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American Chestnut was quite often used in gunsmithing during the Colonial American era

I respectfully disagree with you assessment of Chestnut being quite often used or that it is particularly righteous. While I have no doubt that Chestnut as in your example may have been used on occasion particularly for muskets during the Rev. War I think that this would have been rare .I have studied many period gunsmith inventories and many period advertisements by gunsmiths looking for stock wood and I have never seen any mention of Chestnut. Lots of maple yes, a little walnut but not Chestnut.

I have used quite a bit of Chestnut over the last thirty years and in no way other than aesthetics would I consider it a quality stock wood.Except for the rare board it is too soft to carve and it doesn't take detail well.

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Re: Chestnut as Stock Wood
« Reply #27 on: September 07, 2013, 12:53:29 AM »
It's fun to see something different and this is a nicely crafted rifle.  Based on inventories I've seen and surviving examples, its hard to argue that chestnut was used more than occasionally as a stock wood.  Regardless of how many 18th century guns survived, the proportion that are found stocked in chestnut should reflect, roughly, the original proportion.  And it's always possible that an unusual gun would have an even greater likelihood of surviving.

Period woodworkers were highly aware of the working properties of different hard and softwoods.  An example is that furniture items were often made of many dissimilar woods for structural, not aesthetic reasons.  Colonial Windsor styled chairs are still being made of 4 different woods.  http://thewindsorchairshop.net/. Hickory, renowned for toughness and resistance to impact as a handle wood, was very rarely used for making handles for guns (stocks), probably because of its instability when wet, as well as its plainness.  Most open pored woods are avoided for stock woods because they will wick moisture from end grain, and I believe chestnut is similar to oak in that way.

So to me it makes sense that an abundant wood available in plank form would be used on an emergency basis for stocking muskets, whether or not it met most of the requirements for a gun stock wood: ample hardness, toughness, resistance to splitting, stability with moisture changes, abundance, workability, appropriate weight, and attractiveness.
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Re: Chestnut as Stock Wood
« Reply #28 on: September 07, 2013, 05:59:25 AM »
Have been contemplating taking down a 38" plus chestnut for a friend at his farm in central pa, always wondered what a longrifle stocked in it would look like, guess i should just leave it up, until he finally wears me down to do it.  Never was quite sure if it has any chinese strain in it, but I have always swore it was one of the last 100% american in pa that old!

Captain Maynard

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Re: Chestnut as Stock Wood
« Reply #29 on: September 07, 2013, 02:35:53 PM »
Well...I'm done here.  Some asked about it and I shared my American Chestnut experience as well as the evidence that it was used as a stock material.. It will last for years to come, althogh it is kiln-dried. 

My responses varied from "ain't no such animal", "yer' stock is OAK/not Chestnut" to "I respectfully disagree based on the expertise of my own research of stockpiles".  The latter was at least nicer and less insulting.

You guys are the experts...later...

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« Reply #30 on: September 07, 2013, 05:54:50 PM »
I THINK the "Ain't no such critter" was referring to a rifle "Too pretty to shoot".
Just MY take on it.

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« Reply #31 on: September 07, 2013, 06:28:44 PM »
I'm with Dogshirt ...

I don't believe Mr. D Taylor Sapergia was insulting in any way.

"...no such critter!  but your rifle is certainly striking and has really nice architecture."


Cheers.
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Re: Chestnut as Stock Wood
« Reply #32 on: September 07, 2013, 07:12:57 PM »
Well...I'm done here.  Some asked about it and I shared my American Chestnut experience as well as the evidence that it was used as a stock material.. It will last for years to come, althogh it is kiln-dried. 

My responses varied from "ain't no such animal", "yer' stock is OAK/not Chestnut" to "I respectfully disagree based on the expertise of my own research of stockpiles".  The latter was at least nicer and less insulting.

You guys are the experts...later...

Cap'n, forums are for give and take.  Open discussion. Nobody said anything insulting.  Some expressed different views.  That happens on forums.  I saw several compliments on your rifle in the responses.  It would be good if you stick around as you are clearly a quality builder.  Iron sharpens iron.  It's how we all learn.  Certainly some things cannot be known with certainty, like the prevalence of chestnut stocked guns in the 18th century.  Those topics make for lively and often informative debate.  Anyone who is done learning is already the ultimate, or is limiting themselves.
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Re: Chestnut as Stock Wood
« Reply #33 on: September 08, 2013, 01:05:25 AM »
I have a very large American Chestnut on my property (and know where there are a good many 10-14" trees) that the ACF claims is the second largest in the state of Pennsylvania.  I've been told that the largest has contracted the blight and is dying so mine will soon be the largest in the state.  When and if mine succumbs before I do  ;D, I intend to have the lumber milled and turned into furniture but I'll be happy if it beats the blight and survives.

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Re: Chestnut as Stock Wood
« Reply #34 on: September 08, 2013, 03:30:36 PM »
Hmmm. I also thought Taylor's comment referred to the "too good to shoot" statement.


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Re: Chestnut as Stock Wood
« Reply #35 on: September 08, 2013, 07:30:51 PM »
Well...I'm done here.  Some asked about it and I shared my American Chestnut experience as well as the evidence that it was used as a stock material.. It will last for years to come, althogh it is kiln-dried. 

My responses varied from "ain't no such animal", "yer' stock is OAK/not Chestnut" to "I respectfully disagree based on the expertise of my own research of stockpiles".  The latter was at least nicer and less insulting.

You guys are the experts...later...

..........WOW..........that didn't last long..........