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Offline FALout

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steel nose cap and finishing challenge
« on: October 19, 2011, 02:34:58 AM »
I'm using steel furniture on my Issac Haines rifle and I'm wondering how to handle the nose cap.  All previous rifles I had used brass so finishing the stock was no problem.  Well this rifle I was considering browning the furniture and do not want to damage the surrounding wood, had planned on pinning the nose cap, but maybe I'll have to screw this one on?  Had considered a french grey type finish, but that would still be a problem.  Any advise?
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Offline Roger Fisher

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Re: steel nose cap and finishing challenge
« Reply #1 on: October 19, 2011, 02:49:42 AM »
I brown with said cap on the stock.  A bit of masking tape on the stock up to the edge and careful application does it for me.  But I'm , not fancy. :)

Offline Glenn

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Re: steel nose cap and finishing challenge
« Reply #2 on: October 19, 2011, 03:14:44 AM »
I'm curious about the "French gray" finish.  Maybe I ought to run a search on here and see what all pops up, that and coloring with logwood too?  As far as I know, I don't think you could go wrong with at least browning the barrel and maybe the other pieces.  Seems to be a generally accepted default standard for steel parts.
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Re: steel nose cap and finishing challenge
« Reply #3 on: October 19, 2011, 04:51:24 AM »
I too had steel furniture installed on my Early Lancaster smooth rifle.  The finish I chose was cold blueing that is knocked down.  The resulting finish is a french grey that compliments the the wood finish superbly.  I'm not the best at posting pictures but I'll attempt it.










Hope this helps. 
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Re: steel nose cap and finishing challenge
« Reply #4 on: October 19, 2011, 05:05:00 AM »
Sir; The overall color package on this rifle is very satisfying. Great work. Thanks for posting. AJ
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Re: steel nose cap and finishing challenge
« Reply #5 on: October 19, 2011, 05:05:52 AM »
Acorn, you're showing off....

A fine piece of workmanship.
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Re: steel nose cap and finishing challenge
« Reply #6 on: October 19, 2011, 08:21:51 AM »
Sweet rifle there Acorn.  I like that finish.  I think that's the example I needed to see.  Thanks for posting.
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Re: steel nose cap and finishing challenge
« Reply #7 on: October 19, 2011, 12:55:47 PM »
Acorn, that is a really nice looking rifle.  So did you do the metal treatment of the nose cap on the rifle?  If so, is it just a matter of being careful not to stain the wood in that area?
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Re: steel nose cap and finishing challenge
« Reply #8 on: October 19, 2011, 05:20:46 PM »
Falout - on iron-mounted rifles I've made, I've simply used a 4X40 screw (or two) running from the barrel channel and tapped into the nosecap.  It's then a simple matter to unscrew and finish the cap.  From the outside, the screw looks like a rivet.  Many originals were done this way.

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Re: steel nose cap and finishing challenge
« Reply #9 on: October 19, 2011, 05:46:47 PM »
Acorn,

Where did you get your Lancaster steel hardware?  I like that look very much.


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Re: steel nose cap and finishing challenge
« Reply #10 on: October 19, 2011, 10:06:13 PM »
Just leave it alone it'll brown itself ,when you shoot it rub some of the fowling on it and don't let it cakerust, makes a very pleasing brown. May take awhile.

I left my  Jaeger barrel like that and now it looks great

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Re: steel nose cap and finishing challenge
« Reply #11 on: October 20, 2011, 12:11:22 AM »
FALout, All metal pieces on this rifle were finished prior to assembly on the rifle with exception of the nosecap.  It has been attached to the rifle as Swampwalker described in his post.  

Ezra, I obtained all of the steel hardware and miscellaneous components for this rifle from Tip Curtis.  In my opinion, you'd be hard pressed to find a finer, Southern gentleman with which to do business.  There were a couple of issues with the five faceted butt plate (too wide at the top where it abutts the comb) but we worked through it.

This rifle sports a "C" Weight, Colerain, turkey-choked barrel.  That's the main reason I decided to go with steel hardware.  Now if I can just get a bird to walk in front of it!  That hasn't been a problem in the past but we'll see in a week or two.

And lastly, although I take great pride in showing this rifle as the owner, I cannot take credit for its construction.  This summer I met its maker under the ALR tent at Dixon's Gunbuilder's Faire.  I guess I have Acer to thank for that.  The gunsmith was Ed Wenger of Catlett, VA.  I talked to a couple of gunsmiths hanging out there but one look at the rifle that Ed had with him that day sealed the deal.  His metal to wood  fit is phenomenal!  His carving, as you can see, isn't half bad either.  I don't know what I'd have done if he would have said no.  The build took him about 2 1/2 weeks and he documented the build with about 30 pictures.  We had at least that many emails with questions and concerns.  If you have any additional questions about the finishes on this rifle, look him up on the web and give him a shout.  
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Re: steel nose cap and finishing challenge
« Reply #12 on: October 20, 2011, 06:42:09 PM »
FALout, the nose cap was indeed attached to the stock when I blued it.  It's not a problem to blue it attached to the stock.  I'd be careful about not slopping a bunch of cold blue on the stock, but it's not a problem if some gets on, which it will...  I rubbed the blue back with a scotch brite pad and motor oil.  I used to use WD-40 but found the metal had more of a tendency to get a little rust film with that.

The stock was stained with a coat of LMF Honey Maple, then Lancaster Maple over that.  Permalyn sealer was the finish.

Dan, (acorn20) it was great fun building your rifle and working with you during the process.  Hope you get a nice fat bird this fall!!  If you do, I want to see some photos.  Cheers,


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Re: steel nose cap and finishing challenge
« Reply #13 on: October 22, 2011, 05:56:17 AM »
Ed, I was admiring this work before I realized it was yours. Well done as always.