The wall hangers I refered to consisted of two 20 gauge back action smooth bores ,one has a brass plate repair around the breech area, a Lehman rifle that had been shortened to about 30" and had a cast patchbox added at some time, and then there were two plain percussion rifles of very late period and very poor condition. I am sorry now I did not take pictures of them too since there has been so much interest in them as well. I will know better next time. I was rushed by the owner as he was wanting to leave . And yes there is that much drop in the stock. This guy does not want to part out the collection and wants way too much as far as I am concerned but I dont know what the Dunmyer is worth and is the best gun of the bunch. I may give him an offer if I have a good enough offer on the three guns I have posted pictures here.