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Re: Hoppe's 9 Plus as Patch Lube
« Reply #50 on: November 18, 2011, 08:30:27 PM »
On these labels.  Do they list any ingredients in it???

My bottles of Hoppe's Nitro Solvent lists the ingredients on the label.  Anything listed on the labels in question here?

E. Ogre

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The MSDS is at http://www.hoppes.com/au_msds.html

1. Water
2. Hydrotreated Heavy Naphthenic Distillate 10-30%
3. Triethanolamne 1-5%
4. Ethyl Alcohol 1-5%
5. Kerosene  1-5%
6. Triazine .05-1.5%

Dan


Thank you Dan.  I knew I could count on you for the info.

Hydrated Heavy Napthenic Distillate (10-30%) shows up as mineral oil on a Google hit.
Triethanolamine is used as an emulsifier/surfactant in emulsifying the mineral oil into the water base.

The use of Triazine in it is a puzzle.  Google hits show its use in medicine to treat vertigo and also as an anti-convulsive.
This one had me laughing.  Used to treat vertigo.  Helps stabilize the projectile that gets motion sickness or is afraid of heights????

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Re: Hoppe's 9 Plus as Patch Lube
« Reply #51 on: November 22, 2011, 05:50:05 PM »
E. Ogre - Re. Triazine - the projectile IS spinning. You wouldn't want your bullet to barf before reaching the target. It would wobble like a spit ball. Smart move by the Hoppes people.

But seriously, No. 9 is just emulsified mineral oil with a dab of alcohol and kerosene thrown in. Any opinion on the functionality of that mix? Everyone seems to like it, but what is the secret of that formula?

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Re: Hoppe's 9 Plus as Patch Lube
« Reply #52 on: November 24, 2011, 12:30:45 AM »
I just received my new bottle of Hoppes 9 Plus. It has the new lable like shown previously but I checked the website and the item number is 999. So I think it must be the same stuff as before. Has the old familier hoppes smell but seems much thinner than honey as mentioned earlier.
I think it's kind of strange that no one at Hoppes would know of a lable change. Someone sure is slipping up.

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Re: Hoppe's 9 Plus as Patch Lube
« Reply #53 on: November 24, 2011, 01:06:19 AM »
It's not thick like honey; that's a little bit hyperbole.  Think chocolate milk.
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Re: Hoppe's 9 Plus as Patch Lube
« Reply #54 on: November 24, 2011, 02:00:18 AM »
Yeah- just a bit thicker than milk. That's the way it's been since mid 1980, at any rate, the stuff I used, was.
« Last Edit: November 24, 2011, 02:00:35 AM by Daryl »

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Re: Hoppe's 9 Plus as Patch Lube
« Reply #55 on: November 24, 2011, 06:01:08 PM »
I'm really anxious to try the Hoppes 9+, I've been a spit patch fan for range shooting for ever. I'm not sure what it is, maybe boredom, but lately I've been wanting to try different methods. I'm hoping for great stuff here.

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Re: Hoppe's 9 Plus as Patch Lube
« Reply #56 on: November 24, 2011, 06:26:49 PM »
I'm really anxious to try the Hoppes 9+, I've been a spit patch fan for range shooting for ever. I'm not sure what it is, maybe boredom, but lately I've been wanting to try different methods. I'm hoping for great stuff here.

You may or may not find it GREAT, Micah - depends on your loads and techniques. It is good and well worth while, though.  For me, it's accuracy virtually matched spit and LHV, which is high praise indeed.

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Re: Hoppe's 9 Plus as Patch Lube
« Reply #57 on: November 24, 2011, 07:03:45 PM »
Roundball
As you might have read here and the other site I sometimes have some cleaning difficulties. I'm amazed by your statement about 'one patch up and down' with just a trace of color. I might shoot 30-40 shots at the range using #9+,20thou. ticking and a cast .440 ball in my Rice barreled .45 with round bottom rifling.If I run a damp patch down the bore before heading home it comes out loaded with black tinged green, fouling [Goex 3F]  second one is the same.At home I hook up siphon thingy fro TOW and clean with it using a wet patch to pull water into bore.This patch gets dirty gray colored. I then run a wet patch down the barrel and discover it is black with fouling.....I wonder sometimes, if it is even possible to 'really' get one truely clean? I have tried many different cleaning tecniques with about the same results.
Macon

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Re: Hoppe's 9 Plus as Patch Lube
« Reply #58 on: November 24, 2011, 08:12:23 PM »
I can't clean with one patch or even a dozen....well maybe a dozen will sometimes do it.  Hoppes does keep the bore cleaner.


These are not cleaning patches but shooting patches after a couple dozen rounds.
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Re: Hoppe's 9 Plus as Patch Lube
« Reply #59 on: November 24, 2011, 08:33:15 PM »
Macon - .440" ball (have you actually measured them?) + .020" = .480".  A Rice barrel, will usually be .450" bore, with .016" rilfing depth, thus .482", groove to groove.  Assuming your patches are actually .020" (everyone differs with their measurements) that is smaller than the groove diameter by .001" per side and that means some fouling, however little, is deposited each shot and is building up. A thicker patch or larger .445" ball should reduce, or eliminate that buildup.

We like to see at least .004" to .005" compression each side as that eliminates any fouling buildup, gives great accuracy and clean shooting.

 

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Re: Hoppe's 9 Plus as Patch Lube
« Reply #60 on: November 24, 2011, 08:40:32 PM »
 Hey Daryl, would you mind sharing your technique for lubing the patches? I am wanting to get my patch lubrication to be consistant batch to batch.
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Re: Hoppe's 9 Plus as Patch Lube
« Reply #61 on: November 24, 2011, 09:08:47 PM »
sure - I put the pre-cuts in a small tin box, ie: sucrets tin or other candy tin, one of Track's flint & striker boxes or large snuff box or glasses case - dribble or pour in enough lube to allow complete saturation, then once all patches have soaked up all the lube they can hold, I turn it on it's side and press the patches out to drain off the excess back into the container.  That's for trail walks with a water-based lube or LHV, Shenendoah or Hoppe's #9 Plus.

This consistancy or lack of it, works for me.  Filling the patches, then pressing it out some seems to allow them to neutralize between lubing and shooting.  I don't have a match rifle, per se, so am not hung up on that precision aspect.  If I did have a dedicated chunk rifle, I might be, maybe not. If the gun shot 1/2" or better at 50 yards, I'd not worry about it.

My normal accuracy rifles (.40 and a .45) shoot 1/2" or better on centres with single rest on the forend, with patches lubed just as noted,  with LHV or Hoppe's #9 Plus. I suspect they'll shoot identically with Shenendoah.  The oils such as bear's oil, give greater shot to shot variation on the chronograph and poorer accuracy; ie: loss of guilt edge accuracy - plenty good enough for hunting, but not as good as spit of LHV , etc.

For hunting or testing with Neetsfoot oil or Mink oil, I lube only a handfull of patches  or whatever I'm going to use) by saturating and squeezing out the excess with my fingers.  Any left over, I throw away.  Water based lubes don't deteriorate the patches over time, like the oils seem to do.  When finished shooting with a water based lube, I leave the lid open in the basement, so the lube can evapourate. I simply replenish the stock of patches and lube before going shooting again.

When seating the patched ball flush with the muzzle, there is a small ring of lube - oil or water around the top of the ball inside the fold of the cloth that was squeezed up there from the patch as it was pressed into the bore. That shows that enough lube was used.

I don't use 'dry' patches as 'dry' patches don't soften the fouling which prevents the need for wiping.
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Re: Hoppe's 9 Plus as Patch Lube
« Reply #62 on: November 24, 2011, 10:23:07 PM »
Daryl
I also have a Lyman .445 mold that I have not tried yet. I will cast some with it for the next shooting session. Thank you for the info/idea.
Macon

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Re: Hoppe's 9 Plus as Patch Lube
« Reply #63 on: November 24, 2011, 10:40:04 PM »
Macon, I also have a Lyman .445" mold and prefer it to .440" ball.  My double cavity Lee is .440 but I intend replacing it with a Lee .445.  My H&A underhammer needed .440 but the TVM does well with .445.
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Re: Hoppe's 9 Plus as Patch Lube
« Reply #64 on: November 26, 2011, 01:50:59 PM »
Just got my bottle of No. 9. It's in the same 8oz plastic squeeze bottle as shown in an above picture, however, it says Hoppe's 9 with no mention of plus on the bottle.

Same label as the 9 Plus and on the back side of the bottle the use directions has 9 plus in all the instructions. It is thicker than water, but by no means thick like honey.

Do I have the same stuff?? I contacted Hoppe's ( Bushnell ) in Kansas and the consumer rep said he'll have to check and get back with me



thanks,

rudyc


I just got a bottle like this one,I am gonna try it soon and see how it does

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Re: Hoppe's 9 Plus as Patch Lube
« Reply #65 on: December 02, 2011, 06:18:01 AM »
   Received my order for Hoppe`s #9. Now, can it be used for an all Day cool/cold weather Hunting Lube. Or, is there a chance that the wet Patch will soak the Powder????? I`d like to take My GPR out for Pa. Doe Season.....

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Re: Hoppe's 9 Plus as Patch Lube
« Reply #66 on: December 02, 2011, 07:46:15 PM »
Yes- RB's absolutely right- you have to test the lube's accuracy and point of impact before trusting it to a hunt.

As far as a day or 2 day hunt, I'd use it without fear, but I might shove a barrier patch or thin wad down between the bal and powder. Taylor's test with it a couple years ago - or maybe it was last winter, showed no powder degridagtion from the Hoppe's #9 Plus over the week the test barrel was loaded. The barrel was brought in every night, then put out in the morning to expose it to routine condensation due to the -20 throughout the day and night, into a 65F house then back outside for another 8 or more hours etc. No rust, no powder problem.

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Re: Hoppe's 9 Plus as Patch Lube
« Reply #67 on: December 03, 2011, 01:24:50 AM »
 I'll not leave it loaded for any extended periods in my guns. The first time I left it loaded for 4-days(2010 Bear Season) I had a clear rust ring around the patched ball when I blew out the un-fired load with the CO2 discharger. I retrieved the ball with patch still attatched, so there was no question it had started a rust ring. That was from relatively fresh bottle of Hoppes #9 Plus lubed patch and ball over a felt wad.

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Re: Hoppe's 9 Plus as Patch Lube
« Reply #68 on: December 03, 2011, 02:09:15 AM »
Well, there ya go.

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Re: Hoppe's 9 Plus as Patch Lube
« Reply #69 on: December 03, 2011, 02:46:56 AM »
The bottle I have has a statement on the back -- something to the effect do no freeze-- I assume  that means don't use in freezing weather.     

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Re: Hoppe's 9 Plus as Patch Lube
« Reply #70 on: December 03, 2011, 03:10:04 AM »
Means don't allow the bottle to freeeze.  Most of us have used Hoppe's #9 Plus in freezing weather- that's all we have all winter and that's all my buddy and his daughter used, along with me for a full year- down to -10, it was fine and didn't freeze.

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Re: Hoppe's 9 Plus as Patch Lube
« Reply #71 on: December 11, 2011, 06:49:46 AM »
I have not had the opportunity to use the Hoppes 9+, but as an alternative, I have soaked my patches in a motor oil such as 10W40.  It was a last minute thing as my lubed patches (years old) dried out since the last time I had hunted. It seems to work well and did not affect my powder charge after shooting and reloading and being kept in the breech for 4 days.  It goes down very well and the muzzle does not show any signs of rust at this time.  (3 days later).  Remember, Hoppes contains Ammonia,  it is a good cleaner that draws moisture.  I stopped using the Nitro solvent on cleaning muzzle loaders due to that. 

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Re: Hoppe's 9 Plus as Patch Lube
« Reply #72 on: December 11, 2011, 05:10:42 PM »
Went to the range thursday to try my new bottle of 9+. Forgot to pretreat my patches, so was going to treat them at the range. The day before the temperature was in the 50's well thursday the temperature was about 28 in the morning when we got to the range, and i forgot my gloves. My hands were so cold that I was having trouble picking up a 50 cal ball, never mind trying to treat patches. I'm going to try it again next time. ;D

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Re: Hoppe's 9 Plus as Patch Lube
« Reply #73 on: December 11, 2011, 06:50:18 PM »
I have not had the opportunity to use the Hoppes 9+, but as an alternative, I have soaked my patches in a motor oil such as 10W40.  It was a last minute thing as my lubed patches (years old) dried out since the last time I had hunted. It seems to work well and did not affect my powder charge after shooting and reloading and being kept in the breech for 4 days.  It goes down very well and the muzzle does not show any signs of rust at this time.  (3 days later).  Remember, Hoppes contains Ammonia,  it is a good cleaner that draws moisture.  I stopped using the Nitro solvent on cleaning muzzle loaders due to that. 

As far as I know, there is no Ammonia in Hoppe's #9 Plus.  There may be some in the Hoppe's #9 which is the nitro or modern powder solvent, but not in the #9 Plus.

Nitro solvent does not soften black powder fouling. The 10/30 that I tried back in 1973 as a patch lube did a horrid job - gunking the powder fouling, not softening and emulsifying it as is needed.  Petrolium oils are not a good black powder solvent in my experience.  It may work on the phony powders like T-7, but even they need water products to actually clean properly.

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Re: Hoppe's 9 Plus as Patch Lube
« Reply #74 on: December 11, 2011, 08:41:05 PM »
The bottle I have has a statement on the back -- something to the effect do no freeze-- I assume  that means don't use in freezing weather.     

It is basically an emulsion.  With most emulsions if you allow them to freeze they "break".  Meaning that when the water freezes the "active agent" separates.  Once thawed it may or may not go back to an emulsion.

E. Ogre