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mjm46@bellsouth.net

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Patch Box dimensions
« on: December 14, 2011, 07:37:53 PM »
I really like the Beck Whaletail PB design. I have used it on two rifles and have plans to use it again. To the best of my calculations based on redimensioning photos from the web, I figure the door to be 1-3/8" wide. Does anyone have access to an original that they can measure? Or does my calculation work pretty well. Just trying to get a little closer to the things that I have control of. Thanks
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Re: Patch Box dimensions
« Reply #1 on: December 18, 2011, 05:02:21 AM »
If you happen to understand how to search this forum (I've not a clue) this was discussed a year or so back, I gave dimensions for a few originals.
Info not to hand now.
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mjm46@bellsouth.net

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Re: Patch Box dimensions
« Reply #2 on: December 18, 2011, 06:43:53 PM »
Thanks JCK I'm not real good at finding things on a search but I will give it a try.
Micah
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Re: Patch Box dimensions
« Reply #3 on: December 18, 2011, 07:22:25 PM »
I give up after about 35 minutes of searching I found disscussions about Becks rivets and lettering on his barrels and a few other things I wasn't looking for. I guess I flunk the searc test again. :-[
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Re: Patch Box dimensions
« Reply #4 on: December 18, 2011, 08:26:51 PM »
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Re: Patch Box dimensions
« Reply #5 on: December 18, 2011, 11:04:14 PM »
Guys, I think Micah is asking about the patchbox lid.... JCKelly gave him the hole dimensions int the prior thread.
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Re: Patch Box dimensions
« Reply #6 on: December 19, 2011, 01:19:44 AM »
You might have better luck drawing the design out on the stock, figuring how the overall size should be to your stock, then decide on the door size.  I've been working on a patchbox for my rifle and thought that 1-3/8" would be a good size till I laid it out, decided I needed to downsize everything to fit the way I wanted, ended up around 1-18" wide.  You can also make photo copies of varing sizes to see how it will fit and base your door width from that.
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Re: Patch Box dimensions
« Reply #7 on: December 19, 2011, 04:47:50 PM »
Quote from: Dr. Tim-Boone on December 18, 2011, 11:04:14 PM
Guys, I think Micah is asking about the patchbox lid.... JCKelly gave him the hole dimensions int the prior thread.

Roger that. 
Was thinking there is probably a reasonably close relationship between hole width and door width. 
But perhaps not..... ?
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Re: Patch Box dimensions
« Reply #8 on: December 19, 2011, 05:13:53 PM »
Scale a patchbox to fit the buttstock and the lid will be the right width.
MAKE IT SO IT LOOKS RIGHT.
No matter what it measures if it looks out of place its WRONG.
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Re: Patch Box dimensions
« Reply #9 on: December 19, 2011, 08:22:22 PM »
Seems to me that the whale tail Beck box doors might be a bit wider than expected....
I know a guy with one so gimme a few days and I'll email him and see if I can get the info.

John
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Re: Patch Box dimensions
« Reply #10 on: December 20, 2011, 12:39:12 AM »
Thanks John I appreciate it
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Re: Patch Box dimensions
« Reply #11 on: December 20, 2011, 04:59:54 PM »
Micah, I see that you got your answer.
I assume you've looked at the whale tail Beck in the forum Library as well?

John
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Re: Patch Box dimensions
« Reply #12 on: December 20, 2011, 05:48:28 PM »
Actually John I was still waiting for your information.

I'm not trying to make a big deal out of this, but since I'm starting a new Beck rifle and I'm planning to use a whale tail PB I thought I could get more precise measurements. I have proportionally scaled photos (as well as I can) that came from the forum library of different rifles with the whale tail patchbox based on buttplate height and have come up with a measurement of "about" 1-3/8" for the width of the door. A gent on  this forum emailed me dimensions of a Beck pb he owns but it wasn't a whale tail design. The width info he sent was 1-1/4' wide for the door. I'm happy with the dimensions I have but since Beck seemed to be a creature of habit with his hardware at least I was only wondering if he had some consistancy with his patchbox dimensions regardless of finial style.
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Re: Patch Box dimensions
« Reply #13 on: December 20, 2011, 06:59:51 PM »
Micah, Check your PM or email.
However, from him, the measurements are 1.250" wide, and 3.70" long, measured from the center of the hinge pin to the center of the door at the butt plate.
I think this is the same rifle in the library.

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Re: Patch Box dimensions
« Reply #14 on: December 21, 2011, 09:11:36 AM »
Well, I am surprised that no one threw the Golden Mean into  this thread!!!
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Re: Patch Box dimensions
« Reply #15 on: December 21, 2011, 01:46:09 PM »
Ya just did ;D
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Re: Patch Box dimensions
« Reply #16 on: December 21, 2011, 05:03:06 PM »
If I'm reading yall correctly, as long as the proportions ar correct, and it looks good it's right, Right?

I just thought that someone (don't matter who) that does this regularly would have templates, being that templates are employed sizes would be the same from unit to unit. Although I'm no expert on Beck, I have noticed that he used similar hardware and designs throughout his career. It just seemed sensible that he would use same dimensions on similar patchbox designs.
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Re: Patch Box dimensions
« Reply #17 on: December 21, 2011, 05:04:01 PM »
Bob, It goes without saying..............really!!!  Please ..without saying!!
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Re: Patch Box dimensions
« Reply #18 on: December 21, 2011, 05:05:33 PM »
Micah I have some rubbings from patchboxes.... maybe tomorrow I can find a beck and post it...reproduction and the computer will screw dimensions up some but maybe it will be useful
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Re: Patch Box dimensions
« Reply #19 on: December 22, 2011, 08:35:42 PM »
Quote from: Dr. Tim-Boone on December 21, 2011, 05:04:01 PM
Bob, It goes without saying..............really!!!  Please ..without saying!!

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