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Re: Work benches for building rifles
« Reply #25 on: February 12, 2012, 08:48:14 PM »
We have a wide range of members participating here,  from VERY accomplished, talented and practiced builder who are functioning at a full-time professional level to guys just starting out with very limited funds, facilities and resources.  I am truly envious of your guys who have dedicated shops full of wonderful tools-----and the time and talents to use them properly.   Someday----someday--- ::)

Its wonderful to see what truly professional modern ALR builders have for tools and equipment and I can give us all ideas to improve what we do have.

I'd be interested in seeing what us "hobby-builders" guys who do not have dedicated workshops use.

I have to use a "portable" bench in my living room.  I'm single so I don't have to clean up EVERY day but I have to do so every once on a while or the cat complains. I have a small drill press and belt grinder in a cramped corner of the basement but neither the room or conditions to make a dedicated workshop down there.


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« Reply #26 on: February 12, 2012, 09:01:49 PM »
Jim, you state that best practices developed over hundreds of years are most efficient (precise, accurate, whatever qualities comprise best for you), and you attempt to do best work, I thought it would logically follow that you are using techniques developed over hundreds of years.  Perhaps I am not following it completely but I do grasp that you believe there are "best ways" and that you advocate their use.  Good enough, one viewpoint taken and understood.  I appreciate diversity; otherwise I could not simultaneously appreciate the work of Colonial Williamsburg, the Woodbury school boys, and Monte Mandarino, or the high quality British work of the 18th century and the "ugly bird head patchbox rifle" at the same time.  Makes for interesting philosophical discussions quite far from the concrete world of benches!   But I do agree, in addition to having fun discussing the philosophy of building longrifles, that a solid bench is a great thing to have.
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« Reply #27 on: February 12, 2012, 09:33:21 PM »
As a hobby I make longrifles, use them and latter sell them to finance another build. My workbench is 44 inches from floor and top of vice is four inches above that. I have a foam pad on the floor that compresses to about one inch thick. I dont have to stoop very much when working at that level.   Smylee

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« Reply #28 on: February 12, 2012, 09:55:01 PM »
My bench is solid and all of my tools are either good or above average qualty. With one small exception,all my machinery is old American from Michigan,Pennsylvania or Ohio. The one exception is a small Chinese made drill press that I bought to make a wad cutter from and it hasn't been used for years.
I don't worry about methods and have my own and am oriented to RESULTS. Being retired I keep no schedule,refuse to be pressured and what gets done,gets done. Anything else will have to wait. Negotiating with someone over price is something I don't do either. I was showing one of my "4 pin" locks at Friendship about three years ago and quoted $375 for it and was asked if I would consider an offer. My answer was "only if it's for more". Benchcrafted locks of that type are not common and I see no need to put a dumping price on one.

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Re: Work benches for building rifles
« Reply #29 on: February 12, 2012, 10:09:10 PM »
Rich,

It would be innacurate to say "my methods echo those from the past".  Some do, but as a blanket statement this would not be appropriate.  For example as you pointed out, "JP Beck or Andrew Verner or George Schroyer or Isaac Berlin had 1200 pound benches with ball vises on them".  I choose my words carefully and don't like it when they are twisted, especially in an attempt to make a point.  And please take note, I said previously that a bench this heavy is not necessary for stability and to produce good work.  

Yes, I use lights, some power tools, a cast iron bench, etc. that are not period appropriate.  Some advances have been made since the 18th century and I have no problem taking advantage of them. The point that I have been working hard to make is that many basic techniques that work well today also by no coincidence worked well in the period.  Every method is not good and not everybody should get a ribbon for trying in my world!  Further, you will find a general concensus in basic techniques and approaches amongst widely respected builders today.   I think you get my point.  No need to further subject everybody else to this nonsense.

DWS,

Yes, I understand your point.  We all have to make due with the best we have.  The good thing is that not a great deal is an absolute necesity.  I started building guns in a tiny room that was maybe 6'x8' or less, in my parents basement.  The bench T. Caster showed might be a good example for someone working under limiting circumstances.  From appearances, much lighter and less rigid than I would want, but undoubtably works as evidenced by the guns T. Caster has built.

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« Reply #30 on: February 12, 2012, 11:35:05 PM »
I am remodeling a bonus room over the garage into a gunshop. I don't think the floor will handle a 1200 lb bench. ;D ;

I have a 120 lb bench and I plan to put a box of sandbags under it and anchor it to the studs in the wall. Up until now I have not had a really firm bench except the crowded on out in the cold/hot garage.  I really hear what is being said about a solid work surface.   I also think it always wise to listen to others ideas.... new or old. Ideas are not practices though... after many trials and with guidance from those who generally get better results I agree that their are usually a few or even one "Best Practice"  I wish I had a coach handy to help me learn those best practices faster....So far this site has been a big help along with the basic load of books.   Someday in the not too distant future I will get to attend some of the great classes being taught at Jim Chamber's, WKU, Friendship and Conner's Prairie and the like...... Jerry Rice has invited me to come watch him engrave.....  So that is one near term step.

These discussions which sometimes a re tough are very helpful to a neophyte hobbyist like me.... Iron Sharpens Iron as the good book says!
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Re: Work benches for building rifles
« Reply #31 on: February 14, 2012, 01:02:42 AM »
Rich,


 The bench T. Caster showed might be a good example for someone working under limiting circumstances.  From appearances, much lighter and less rigid than I would want, but undoubtably works as evidenced by the guns T. Caster has built.

Jim

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I don't use this because of limiting circumstances though. I had the other kind of workbench with one large vise & a large rest arm, but found it lacking. It's out in the pole barn now and gets used for gunbuilding, nevermore.
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Re: Work benches for building rifles
« Reply #32 on: February 15, 2012, 04:26:00 AM »
Measure the distance from he floor to your belt. That is the best height I think.
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« Reply #33 on: February 15, 2012, 09:52:52 PM »
Can't help with the height but something that you could consider in your new shop is splashing around as much white paint as possible. Might just be that we have very short days here during inside project season but I have found that no matter how much light I provide myself bare wood, metal, concrete just soaks it up. A coat of non gloss latex over every surface has made everything easier with fewer 'how did that happen?(s)' and fewer 'fewer where the heck is...?(s).  

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Re: Work benches for building rifles
« Reply #34 on: February 17, 2012, 05:36:45 AM »

    I got the idea to build one of these after seeing one at Tip Curtis store at Friendship fall shoot. I built mine heavy duty, I used all 2x4,( his had some 1x4 on it)  At first I called it a work bench for guns, but an old friend of mine advised me a work bench has 4 legs and this was called a work horse ( 2 legs) ???
    Anyway, BEST thing I ever used to build a gun on, Its light enough you can move it where you need it, need better light, move it there or clamp a light on it, don't need it now, move it out of the way. One of the best things for me is I can take it outside to work on a gun in the sun, beats the h@$$ out of a picnic table. 3- 2x4x8, 1- 1x4x4, 1-3/8 steel rod, 2- 3/8 nuts, 1-3/8 washer, 8- small pan head screws, brass plate- 1/6x1x ?, 1- 3/8 knob, small box of 3in. sheet rock screw, picked up the leather at Friendship for 2.00. Cost right at $30.00. ;D
    This gun is near finished and I went to my heavy bench twice to use the vise, once to install the breach plug and once to make the trigger, EVERYTHING else has been done on the work horse. Its 36in. tall and 33in. long        AL
   
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Re: Work benches for building rifles
« Reply #35 on: February 17, 2012, 06:18:22 AM »
I never saw a two-legged horse before! Until now.  ;D

I think this could be a horse, too. I use it for gunbuild demos here and there at the County Faire.


ropes used as windlasses to tension up the legs; while not very heavy, it's quite rigid.
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« Reply #36 on: February 17, 2012, 06:30:46 AM »

    I got the idea to build one of these after seeing one at Tip Curtis store at Friendship fall shoot. I built mine heavy duty, I used all 2x4,( his had some 1x4 on it)  At first I called it a work bench for guns, but an old friend of mine advised me a work bench has 4 legs and this was called a work horse ( 2 legs) ???
    Anyway, BEST thing I ever used to build a gun on, Its light enough you can move it where you need it, need better light, move it there or clamp a light on it, don't need it now, move it out of the way. One of the best things for me is I can take it outside to work on a gun in the sun, beats the h@$$ out of a picnic table. 3- 2x4x8, 1- 1x4x4, 1-3/8 steel rod, 2- 3/8 nuts, 1-3/8 washer, 8- small pan head screws, brass plate- 1/6x1x ?, 1- 3/8 knob, small box of 3in. sheet rock screw, picked up the leather at Friendship for 2.00. Cost right at $30.00. ;D
    This gun is near finished and I went to my heavy bench twice to use the vise, once to install the breach plug and once to make the trigger, EVERYTHING else has been done on the work horse. Its 36in. tall and 33in. long        AL
   

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Re: Work benches for building rifles
« Reply #37 on: February 17, 2012, 10:37:32 AM »
This works for me - I also have 10 foot work bench anchored to the wall. Neither one are going to "go" anywhere without some serious muscle.



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« Reply #38 on: February 17, 2012, 04:31:07 PM »
This is why my wife is supporting me in converting the bonus room over the garage into a gunshop.....



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Re: Work benches for building rifles
« Reply #39 on: February 17, 2012, 11:25:57 PM »
Every time I shoot an archery tournament at Briarfield Iron Works (the site of the Alabama state M/L championships) I can't resist picking up the abundant lead from the rifle range. One can easily pick up 45# in less than an hour, most of it soft lead used by civil war renactors and M/L tournament shooters.

I had the lead stacked in a corner but have since used it to anchor one of the tables I build on. I have the combined weight 91# of round hunks like in the picture, 2, 25 bags of lead shot and 41 C-clamps that I store on a bar below the table top. The table is very stable and won't move.  

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« Reply #40 on: February 18, 2012, 04:29:28 AM »
Eric,

You gonna be at the traditional shoot next weekend?  I'm thinking about going if I can get away from the store.  Haven't shot my longbow since Oct, but shouldn't make a lot of difference in just having a good time.

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« Reply #41 on: February 18, 2012, 07:14:11 AM »
If the weather is nice I will be there. We plan to pull the camper down on Wednesday.

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« Reply #42 on: February 19, 2012, 11:41:19 PM »
    Dogshirt,  sorry it took so long to get back with your request, I have been busy with family and friends. Not very good pic's but I think they will do.
    If you think you are really interested in building one like this and need help with the clamp, let me know I will draw it out for you.      AL
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