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Offline Eric Smith

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Lock Kits
« on: March 10, 2012, 05:42:12 PM »
I was wondering if many of you buy "lock kits" and assemble them yourself. Is this worth the trouble and how much trouble is it. I thoight it might be nice to create the plate profile personally.
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Re: Lock Kits
« Reply #1 on: March 10, 2012, 05:55:19 PM »
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I was wondering if many of you buy "lock kits" and assemble them yourself. Is this worth the trouble and how much trouble is it. I thoight it might be nice to create the plate profile personally.
Probably not unless you have experience with this type of work. The lock kits I am familiar with come with as cast parts which will need to be final finished and hardened before final assembly. As to being able to profile the plate, you can do no more with the lock plate in a kit than you can do with one on a finished lock. If you wish to personally profile a lock/plate take a look at the Chambers gunmakers lock:


It is assembled but the lock plate is left large enough for you to shape it to suit yourself. Another good thing is that it comes in either right or left hand versions.
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« Last Edit: March 10, 2012, 06:00:43 PM by Dennis Glazener »
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Re: Lock Kits
« Reply #2 on: March 10, 2012, 07:05:48 PM »
I don't think you should look at it like "is it worth the trouble" if you're interested in building locks it probably is because you want to experience the project.

My take is, it's going to be a long time before I have the mechanical and technological skill and facilities to build a satisfactory competitive lock, based on the price of the parts. I think I'll leave lock and barrel building to the specialists.

Offline Bob Roller

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Re: Lock Kits
« Reply #3 on: March 10, 2012, 07:37:05 PM »
As far as lock kits are concerned,I have tried a time or two to see what was involved with making one and from the standpoint of someone who actually MAKES locks,I would not even attempt one again. Both L&R and I think Siler locks were once offered as kits and when the locks started "dieing"early,guess who got blamed? Yep,it was those two providers of kits.
I bought external lock parts from L&R and from Jim Chambers and hope to again depending on the outcome of an up coming CT scan on the 23rd of this month.
Lynton McKenzie once told me about some pre production lock parts that were made in Switzerland from castings and the quality of which would be a credit to the aircraft engine industry. He told me they were for a Rigby style 4 pin lock and were useable as cast. I know modern guns are produced on a daily basis with this level of quality control but that the muzzle loading fraternity will have none of it and other than this Swiss experiment which went nowhere due to the junkyard attitudes here and never will. Sad commentary,huh?
I think the cost of these precision parts was the killer here in America and I have no idea as to the final outcome in Europe either.

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Offline Don Getz

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Re: Lock Kits
« Reply #4 on: March 10, 2012, 07:44:55 PM »
Unless you want to do it for your own satisfaction, I would avoid building a lock from a "kit".   There are builders on this forum
that build their own locks, but, they are the exception.   I have used so many siler locks, and appreciate their good assembly.
I can honestly say, I have never had a bad one.   I would rather spend my time inletting the lock, instead of assemblying it.
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Re: Lock Kits
« Reply #5 on: March 10, 2012, 08:46:56 PM »
Hi,
I've made all sorts of locks from kits and castings and learned a great deal about lock physics from those projects because they allowed me to see how different makers designed their solutions to the problem of making reliable and efficient locks.  For me, each set of castings from an original lock is a journey back in time to visit the mind and hand of the lock maker.   Having said that, however, I also don't think building a lock is for everyone.  Don Getz and the others are right if your goal is simply to build a working gun.  The money saved from the lower cost of a kit is not worth the effort to build the lock.  Alternatively, if your goal is to learn lock-making skills or no commercial lock will work for your project, then maybe a lock kit is right for you.  How else will you learn?

Dennis's advice is good.  Chamber's assembled gunmaker's lock gives you a lot of flexibility to shape the plate without needing to fit and heat treat the internal parts.  I wish Jim would offer the same product but with an English-style pan, frizzen, and cock (although those can be fashioned from the parts he offers).  The next level would be to make a Siler or Gunmaker's lock kit, in which you have clean cast parts that you fit and heat treat.  You also have to drill and tap the holes except the critical tumbler and frizzen screw holes, and the springs are already hardened and tempered.  The next step would be a set of castings from an original like those sold by the Rifle Shoppe and Blackley's.  However, if you are looking to custom shape the plate and other outside components, castings from original locks may not be a good choice unless you find a set that is exactly what you want.  Those locks were paired down to the finished shape by the original lock maker and there is usually little excess metal left to reshape. 

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Re: Lock Kits
« Reply #6 on: March 10, 2012, 10:14:12 PM »
I wish Jim would offer the same product but with an English-style pan, frizzen, and cock (although those can be fashioned from the parts he offers). 

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Offline Eric Smith

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Re: Lock Kits
« Reply #7 on: March 11, 2012, 02:53:03 AM »
Actually, I was thinking about exactly what Dennis proposed. One of the preassembled Chambers shape the plate  deals.  I assume that is all that is required isnt it, just to shape the plate?
Eric Smith